Talk:Selim Deringil

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I took the information from some Turkish websites and the name of the historian ıs being mentioned in different wikipedia articles..(And actually internal lınk provided even though there isnt a separete article ın his name).Why to delete it?

For instance;

In September 2005, Berktay and his fellow historians from different academic backgrounds (Murat Belge, Edhem Eldem, Selim Deringil and many others) held the controversial conference...

[1]

Selim Deringil "The Well-Protected Domains: Ideology and the Legitimation of Power in the Ottoman Empire, 1876-1909" p 139-150

[2]

Deringil, Selim. "Legitimacy Structures in the Ottoman State: The Reign of Abdulhamid II (1876-1909), International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 23, No. 3 (August, 1991).

[3]

--laertes d 11:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to meet the following criteria WP:PROF.--Svetovid 12:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dont want to discuss thıs ıssue to the eternity but ı think ıt does meet the crıterıa;

From WP:PROF; If an academic/professor meets any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, they are definitely notable

The person is regarded as a significant expert in his or her area by independent sources.

The person is regarded as an important figure by independent academics in the same field.

The person has published a significant and well-known academic work. An academic work may be significant or well known if, for example, it is the basis for a textbook or course, if it is itself the subject of multiple, independent works, if it is widely cited by other authors in the academic literature[1].

The person's collective body of work is significant and well-known.

The person is known for originating an important new concept, theory or idea which is the subject of multiple, independent, non-trivial reviews or studies in works meeting our standards for reliable sources. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.

--laertes d 15:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on copying the text here, but where are the references that prove that this guy meets the criteria?--Svetovid 18:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At least three wikipedia article mentions his name and and cite his works, ı think one doesnt need to save the world to have a place in wikipedia, right? i can improve the article in the future or somebodyelse can do it, for now im finding this discussion a bit futile and going to remove this delete thing...--laertes d 18:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: Other Wikipedia articles may not be used as sources. from WP:CITE

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One doesn't have to save the world (lovely straw man BTW), but they need to meet criteria.--Svetovid 18:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know that, ı didnt use other wikipedia articles for the recent edits..--laertes d 19:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Svetovid ı removed the delete request thing, he is indeed a notable historian, at least in turkey, believe me on that and i can provide further information some time in the future..--laertes d 19:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]