Talk:Sekhmet/Archive 1

Archive 1

Did Sekhmet Create The Nosferatu

This myth has severaldsrctfgvb different versions, the one presented here comes from "The Goddess Sekhmet, Psycho-Spiritual Exercises of the Fifth Way" by Robert Masters, published by LLewellyn Publishing copyright 1991. [1] Or was it The Fixed Star Algol -from the constellation- Beta Perseus. I find this interesting becaue the constellation 'Beta Perseus' means The Champion or The Rescuer. However, beta ,derivative of Phoenecian letter Beth, means house. With that said Sekhmet became bloodthirsty and murderous due to human's conspiring a coup against the Ra who -in context with my aforemention- was providing them with a house(community) and he was king(champion and rescuer) to his people. So for his people to revolt against him must have created quite a stir amongst the royal ranks. But where it gets strange is that -in ancient arab- Algol, or Al-Ghul, means "The Ghoul" or "Demon Star", and Ri'B al Ohill, the "Demon's Head".Also in hebrew algol referred to as Rosh ha Sitan "Satan's Head", or "the Devil's Head"; also as Lilith, Adam's legendary first wife, believed to have been in existence before the creation of Eve. She is believed to be the nocturnal vampire from the lower world. The Chinese gave it the gruesome title Tseih She, the "Piled-up Corpses". Astrologers say that it was the most unfortunate, violent, and dangerous star in the heavens. (Allen). Thus Sekhmet must have been working upon liliths behalf.[2] If you could not get the first redirect link you may have to restart the browser --Howmee 05:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Lilith and Sekhmet should stay as far away from eachother as possible. Mixing myths is not something that should be in the article. Lilith stems from Mesopotamia as Lilitu and later Jewish lore. Sekhmet is Egyptian. Obvious parrells can be drawn from Mesopotamia and Egypt to Judaism, but Lilith or something like her does not show up in Egyptian myth to my knowledge. Furthermore, opinions drawn from multiple sources violates wiki and imo this hasn't much to do with Sekhmet herself. Xuchilbara 18:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no ancient Egyptian myth that ties Sekhmet to vampiric or "ghoul" legends. That is New Age malarkey at best. The myth, The Destruction of Mankind, is about Hathor being commissioned by Ra to destroy mankind when they no longer cared for him. She embarks upon a full-scale slaughter of men, which alarms Ra, who tells her to stop. She refuses, saying "I have prevailed over men, and it has done my heart good. I shall continue to prevail over them." It was at this point Hathor then mutates into Sekhmet, whose name means, "She who prevails." To stop her, the gods devise a scheme to tinge beer with red ochre so she will think it blood of slaughtered men and drink it (this some from the observation in the wild that lions and lionesses often have bloody maws when feeding). When she sees the red beer poured out 12 hands deep upon a field, she drinks it, becomes drunk and falls asleep, thus stopping the slaughter of mankind. She later awakes, still drunk, as Hathor and returns to the halls of the gods, where she is welcomed in as "sweet and gentle Hathor." Kgriffisgreenberg (talk) 18:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Archive 1

Did Sekhmet Create The Nosferatu

This myth has severaldsrctfgvb different versions, the one presented here comes from "The Goddess Sekhmet, Psycho-Spiritual Exercises of the Fifth Way" by Robert Masters, published by LLewellyn Publishing copyright 1991. [3] Or was it The Fixed Star Algol -from the constellation- Beta Perseus. I find this interesting becaue the constellation 'Beta Perseus' means The Champion or The Rescuer. However, beta ,derivative of Phoenecian letter Beth, means house. With that said Sekhmet became bloodthirsty and murderous due to human's conspiring a coup against the Ra who -in context with my aforemention- was providing them with a house(community) and he was king(champion and rescuer) to his people. So for his people to revolt against him must have created quite a stir amongst the royal ranks. But where it gets strange is that -in ancient arab- Algol, or Al-Ghul, means "The Ghoul" or "Demon Star", and Ri'B al Ohill, the "Demon's Head".Also in hebrew algol referred to as Rosh ha Sitan "Satan's Head", or "the Devil's Head"; also as Lilith, Adam's legendary first wife, believed to have been in existence before the creation of Eve. She is believed to be the nocturnal vampire from the lower world. The Chinese gave it the gruesome title Tseih She, the "Piled-up Corpses". Astrologers say that it was the most unfortunate, violent, and dangerous star in the heavens. (Allen). Thus Sekhmet must have been working upon liliths behalf.[4] If you could not get the first redirect link you may have to restart the browser --Howmee 05:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Lilith and Sekhmet should stay as far away from eachother as possible. Mixing myths is not something that should be in the article. Lilith stems from Mesopotamia as Lilitu and later Jewish lore. Sekhmet is Egyptian. Obvious parrells can be drawn from Mesopotamia and Egypt to Judaism, but Lilith or something like her does not show up in Egyptian myth to my knowledge. Furthermore, opinions drawn from multiple sources violates wiki and imo this hasn't much to do with Sekhmet herself. Xuchilbara 18:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no ancient Egyptian myth that ties Sekhmet to vampiric or "ghoul" legends. That is New Age malarkey at best. The myth, The Destruction of Mankind, is about Hathor being commissioned by Ra to destroy mankind when they no longer cared for him. She embarks upon a full-scale slaughter of men, which alarms Ra, who tells her to stop. She refuses, saying "I have prevailed over men, and it has done my heart good. I shall continue to prevail over them." It was at this point Hathor then mutates into Sekhmet, whose name means, "She who prevails." To stop her, the gods devise a scheme to tinge beer with red ochre so she will think it blood of slaughtered men and drink it (this some from the observation in the wild that lions and lionesses often have bloody maws when feeding). When she sees the red beer poured out 12 hands deep upon a field, she drinks it, becomes drunk and falls asleep, thus stopping the slaughter of mankind. She later awakes, still drunk, as Hathor and returns to the halls of the gods, where she is welcomed in as "sweet and gentle Hathor." Kgriffisgreenberg (talk) 18:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Hymn of Sekhmet?

The part of the text that is atrributed as a Hymn of Sekhmet, is actually a quote from Normanday Ellis's "Awakening Osiris", which is basically a non-literal, poetic translation of the Book of the Dead. I suspect this is not really one of Sekhmet's hymns. Does anyone else have any thoughts?

• I agree with you - this is not a Hymn to Sekhmet. It's a poetic interpretation from a section of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. At the top of the entry of the article it lists the source as "For the Ronin Warriors character, see Sekhmet (Ronin Warriors)". My response is Huh?! Also, I've never come across any reference of Nefertum as an aspect of Atum. Nefertum was the god of perfumes. If I only had a single great source about Sekhmet I'd like to wipe the whole entry clean.

Sources?

The page needs sources. The claim for putting anthrax on the statues is interesting but I did a Google and the only relevant results are this entry, mirrors and recent articles that seem to draw their information from this page [5] or others that don't provide a source (and may have been the source of this claim) [6] I'm not claiming its cobblers but I was checking the facts from that first link I gave and was struggling to find any support for it and this entry comes with no further resources to follow up on which is pretty important. (Emperor 15:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)) eli + kylie

No really, sources

Since she does drink blood and has something to do with drunkenness, a specific reference for the title Scarlet Woman or Lady would certainly interest me. And technically I think we want more specific citations for everything. Dan (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think Scarlet Woman appears as a title in Revelation unless you count section headings. So that matters less than it might. But the point stands. Dan (talk) 03:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

-I'm concerned about the section that reads: "Consequently, it was Sekhmet who was seen as the Avenger of Wrongs, and the Scarlet Lady,[1] a reference to blood, as the one with bloodlust." The PDF document with the citation in question doesn't strike me as being reputable since it is primarily concerned with the poetry of Sylvia Plath. Further more, the portion of the document that mentions these titles contains information that doesn't seem to be related to the subject at hand. In other words, the cited information came from information regarding Sylvia Plath and not from a historical document or other reputable academic document pertaining to Sekhmet, Egyptian Mythology or even Egyptology.

I would like to see this either removed or replaced by another reputable academic source. Also, I checked the PDF document again and found no mention of the term "Avenger of Wrongs". Where did this title come from? -HLG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.91.209.250 (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism by 207.81.108.28

I undid the vandalism to this article, which was done by 207.81.108.28 this morning.Lily20 (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Destroyed or ate?

"In a later myth developed around an annual drunken Sekhmet festival, Ra, by then the sun god of Upper Egypt, created her from a fiery eye gained from his mother, Hathor, to destroy mortals who conspired against him (Lower Egypt). In the myth, Sekhmet's blood-lust was not quelled at the end of battle and led to her destroying almost all of humanity, so Ra had tricked her by turning the Nile as red as blood (the Nile turns red every year when filled with silt during inundation) so that Sekhmet would drink it. The trick was, however, that the red liquid was not blood, but beer mixed with pomegranate juice so that it resembled blood, making her so drunk that she gave up slaughter and became an aspect of the gentle Hathor."

-From the Article

Here is the thing. I read somewhere else (and could email that author for her sources given a little time to do so) that Sekhmet was eating rather than killing them (on the outside of her immortal body, that is; I assume they would die in her stomach). Here are some related points. 1. She was of superhuman height and related size dimensions, and was the most powerful of all the gods. 2. In addition to her enemies (probably all of them), she ate countless others and even some of her friends. 3. Point 2 did not matter much since her enemies and her friends felt the same in her stomach. 4. By the end of her initial reign of terror, she had eaten most of humanity. So, should we replace "destroying" with "eating" in this context? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

To say specifically that she was eating them, we would need a specific reliable source. But the point of the myth is that Sekhmet attacked humanity as an instrument of Ra's vengeance. How she killed her victims isn't that important, so I don't see any pressing need to include it. A. Parrot (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, I could find such sources with time. Are you saying it isn't worth sending those emails to find out where to search for them? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you want to; I just don't see it as particularly important. I suppose the one thing it does is establish that she was already drinking blood, thereby making it clearer why she drank the beer made to look like blood. A. Parrot (talk) 05:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

In any case, A. Parrot, I wrote a comment on the website that told me Sekhmet ate those people. Hopefully, the author of that site will email me some of her sources, and those will be the reliable sources for which we have been looking. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

WINE/BLOOD/BEER

Pages i've seen elsewhere state she got drunk off of beer coloured with pomegranate juice - this page says wine, but is not sourced. Should we at least mention the variations?

I've also seen it stated that pomegranate dyed beer was drunk as part of festivities for sakhmet, so...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.73.75 (talk) 17:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The only version of this story that I have a detailed source for is in The Book of the Heavenly Cow, where it says it was beer dyed with ochre. I'll write that, though I'll have to remove some unsourced stuff in the paragraph. A. Parrot (talk) 20:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've done that. Here I'm copying the original version of the paragraph. While some of what I removed is probably modern conflation of myths, other parts are probably sourceable. So I'm leaving them here so they can be worked on later.

In a later myth developed around an annual drunken Sekhmet festival, Ra, the sun god, created her from a fiery eye gained from his mother, Hathor (daughter of Ra), to destroy mortals who conspired against him (Lower Egypt). In the myth, Sekhmet's blood-lust was not quelled at the end of battle and led to her destroying almost all of humanity, so Ra had tricked her by turning the Nile as red as blood (the Nile turns red every year when filled with silt during inundation) so that Sekhmet would drink it. The trick was, however, that the red liquid was not blood, but wine so that it resembled blood, making her so drunk that she gave up slaughter and became an aspect of the gentle Hathor to some moderns. It is said that when Sekhment awoke from her drunken sleep, the first thing she laid eyes on was the creator god, Ptah and fell in love with him, and the result was Mahees [sic] and Nefertem.

A. Parrot (talk) 20:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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it's okay just needs more attention, such as citations

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Greek equivalent

I believe greek goddess nike is the equivalent of this goddess Dethroned661 (talk) 05:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dethroned661: The question is: did the Greeks actually equate her with Nike? I don't recall seeing any mention of a Greek equivalent for Sekhmet in the sources I have. If you have or find a reliable source, though, feel free to provide it. A. Parrot (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)