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A fact from Sealord Group appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the New Zealand fishing company Sealord Group is half-owned by iwi?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 02:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that if the acquisition of Independent Fisheries by the Sealord Group is successful, it will be the largest seafood business in New Zealand? Source: https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/sealord-moves-acquire-christchurch-based-independent-fisheries
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Smalltime
- Comment: Unsure about a possible WP:CRYSTALBALL issue. It doesn't seem like speculation as the deal has gone through, although not yet approved.

Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Considering that there have been issues in the past with WP:CRYSTAL hooks, I'd suggest you propose some alternate hooks that wouldn't fall afoul of that, if it's possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panamitsu: It's been a week since my comment above so just a reminder that new hooks are still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Sorry, I completely forgot! Here's ALT1: "... that New Zealand fishing company Sealord Group is half owned by Māori through 57 iwi?"

Source: https://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/mo-te-puni-kokiri/kokiri-magazine/kokiri-31-2015/sealord

—Panamitsu (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2:

"... that New Zealand fishing company Sealord Group is half owned by 57 iwi?"

—Panamitsu (talk) 04:50, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure if the hook as currently written is interesting to a broad audience but I'll leave this to another reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - See below

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hello @Panamitsu: I'm happy to take over this review 🙂 Overall, the article has no issues I could find in terms of DYK requirements and reads well, so the only (minor) issue I have is with your hook. ALT1 is my favorite, but could you re-word the end a little bit? I don't know if it's just me, but "through 57 iwi" reads kind of odd. Maybe you can take out the "57" or reword it somehow else? Once you decide, I have no problem with passing, cheers! Johnson524 16:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yup, the hook doesn't flow the best. I'll create another hook later, thanks! —Panamitsu (talk) 20:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Panamitsu, it's been over a week without a new hook. If you wish to continue this nomination, please provide a new hook in the next few days. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnson524: How about ALT3:

...that the New Zealand fishing company Sealord Group is half owned by iwi?

I've also omitted "Māori", as all iwi are Māori, but if you think that is a bit far, let me know. —Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 looks good to me, cheers! Johnson524 14:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panamitsu, Johnson524, and AirshipJungleman29: Pretty decent hook! I have a couple of things I want to clear up first: first, it seems like the ownership percentages are sourced to the government and the company; I'd wonder if there are better sources out there. Second, it seems like a very significant proportion of the article is focused on Sealord Group screw-ups – while I'm not one to argue that we're >:( being too mean to the poor companies, I suspect that a fuller article would be less focused on one-off incidents, leading to a due weight problem. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added added a few better sources for the shareholding (eg this one). I've also added a minimal amount of non-"screw up" content. Please let me know if this is not enough, and I'll be happy to add more.—Panamitsu (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Can this DYK be approved or closed now? Johnson524 13:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I'm sorry to double ping, but can this DYK be approved or closed now? Johnson524 16:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hi from wikibreak!

sure, looks fine. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]