Talk:Scott Harrington (racing driver)

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DWI convictions

There's an edit war going on on the article about the following text (ref tags converted to parenthetical notation):

his career not being helped by numerous arrests and convictions for driving while intoxicated. (Moore, Brian. Mid-America Stands by Harrington Despite Sixth DUI, RacingOne.com, August 10, 2000)

Rather than a ping-pong of revisions, I'd like to hear each side's reasoning for including or deleting the text. Would some more neutral text be more acceptable, such as mentioning the DWIs without saying his career wasn't "helped" by them? (If the edit war continues, I'll revert the page to the version that existed as of the time this message was left and protect it.) —C.Fred (talk) 23:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that it would be fine to remove the "career not being helped" part. It was from the editor who originally inserted the text but it is not directly supported by the citation (which I found once the information was deleted to support its inclusion). However, I think that it's completely neutral, factual, and appropriate that Harrington's criminal record be included in this article. -Drdisque (talk) 23:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

As Scott's manager I would ask that the reference to this article be striked. The news person that broke this story, from which all other articles are based, was fired for his inaccurant reporting. Refering to a report that alludes to Scott's reported domestic charges when the charges were dropped and his ex wife had charges filed for false charges is very negligent on wikipedias part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.241.133 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source for the inaccuracy of the story? Can you point us to the correction, apology, or story on the reporter's sacking? Given the choice of an apparently independent secondary source (news story) and an anonymous editor admitting to a conflict of interest, the rule of thumb is to use the secondary source. —C.Fred (talk) 07:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source is Robin Miller who was fired from the Indy Star for among other things false reporting. Unless you can back up the claims in the mentioned article with criminal record, it shouldn't be allowed. I think we've certainly come to a compromise with leaving the dui info in without mention to an unfounded article. We are fully prepared to take legal action on these claims if we can't reach a compromise.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.241.133 (talk • contribs)

Please back up this article with verified formal charges and convictions or cease and decist this slander. Our attorny will be in contact with wikipedia and will request that your id's be revealed as a part of this legal process. It is not acceptable that this article is cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.241.133 (talk) 07:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please note the aforementioned on-Wiki procedures to request this change. Simply provide an additional secondary source which can be cited in lieu of the one currently in the article. If you prefer not to do that, please see Wikipedia:Autobiography#Problems in an article about you for information on the mailing list that handles requests for information removal. Finally, please review the no legal threats policy, which explains why your IP address is subject to being blocked for making such threats. —C.Fred (talk) 07:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Our attornys have been contacted and will be in comunication with wikipedia reps immediatly, if you can't back up the claims with some legal document, stop with the speculation. I'm sorry but is Autoracing1 or any other racing site a really reliable source of info.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.241.133 (talk) 08:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference found from a reliable source, Boston Globe, and added to the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, we've never argued the dui charge situation. We only protested the citing of the article originally used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.241.133 (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]