Talk:Scott DesJarlais

This Bio is being discussed at the BLP board

--Malerooster (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

undue

i have sectioned the personal life content to segment the personal issues that were raised as part of the election campaigns. There still appears to be too much detail. Perhaps the content should be moved into the election area? Also there should be an analysis of why the content was brought up for the election and its (apparent lack) of impact. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed the subsection before reading this (bad on my part), but I'm not reverting it because I think giving it its own subsection draws too much attention to it in a way that creates undue weight, despite your good intentions. It seems to be appropriate to me in terms of weight in this article, but it's become too extensive in the election article. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I really don't think it belongs anywhere but the Personal section. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I will strongly disagree, the only reason it got any press is that it was used as a major weapon in the political race. Some bits may be more relevant in the personal section, but overall the content is of note only because of its use in the political sphere.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

But it's what happened in his personal life, and hasn't had any impact on his House tenure. It's relevant to his marriages and career as a doctor. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

3O Response: From what I can tell these facts and allegations are real & a part of his life and history. I would include a mention of the "controversies" in the election area and then the specifics facts in the 'personal life' section. Regardless of if they've had an impact or were brought up solely as a political ploy they remain a part of his life, similarly with Herman Cain, and should be included as this is a biography. Coinmanj (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Coinmanj (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Third Opinion

A third opinion is requested: Should the personal events of DesJarlais' life that became highly publicized during the election be covered in the section discussing the election or in the section of "Personal life"?

For more information see the discussion above. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:38, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Scott DesJarlais and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

I think that you should be extremely careful regarding personal life details at all, as a BLP needs to be absolutely beyond question in terms of WP:V. In terms of WHERE to place them in the article, unless the personal life details were significant to the results or course of the campaign (reliable 3rd party Resources indicate that they were significant to the results of course of the campaign) they should not be included in the campaign section, but in the personal life section. ReformedArsenal (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Options for moving forward

Although i am hesitant that the comments from the third opinion by Coinmanj may result in excess coverage, based on the opinion above, I would suggest that the election coverage be something like

During the election campaigns, events from DesJarlais' personal life became public, making the 2012 race against Stewart "one of the ugliest Tennessee congressional races in decades". Court documents from his divorce of his first wife were unsealed and details of the divorce were widely published(source) and commented upon by his opponent.(source) The publication of the incidents led Daily Kos to downgrade the race from "likely republican" to "leaning republican".

then in the personal life

DesJarlais married Susan and together they had one child. Susan and Scott divorced in 2001.(source) The details of the divorce court records were sealed until during the 2012 congressional campaign(source) The unsealed documents showed allegations of marital infidelity,(source) including relationships with patients (source) (source) and a recording of Scott DesJarlais encouraging one of the women to get an abortion. (source ) (source) The allegations of DesJarlias having relationships with his patients is being investigated by ___Board. (source)

DesJarlais married ___ and together they have three kids. (source)

Comments and suggestions? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

That sounds appropriate to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, that sounds appropriate. Coinmanj (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

References

Can you change Rep. DesJarlais wife information?

It is correct on the page, but when you Google his name it says spouse: "Susan Feltman"

It should say Amy DesJarlais. Can you please change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.141 (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

we have no control over google or what their algorythms determine to put in their cache. talk to google. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Information

There are two pieces of incorrect information on the bio for Rep. DesJarlais that should not be reverted after correction.

1. His wife is Amy DesJarlais, no one else. Please cease in reverting these changes.

2. His son, who is listed as Tyler DesJarlais, is named Tyler Privette. This change should not be amended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SHill TN4 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Children

Robert, Rep. DesJarlais has a child with his first wife. I'd rewritten the sentence and left off the source that had been there - it's back now. This is the source: Old Divorce File Riles Tennessee Fishlandia (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Where we seem to have a problem is in the language from his bio to the effect of "He and his wife Amy have three children." In this 2012 article: DesJarlais spouse: He's a good husband and father, we get this information:

"Mrs. DesJarlais said she and the couple's three children — Tyler, 17, Ryan, 14, and Maggie, 5 — have been hurt by the public airing of the allegations during her husband's political campaigns."

Since Scott and Amy (clarity, not disrespect, meant in using first names) married in 2002, that strongly implies that both Tyler and Ryan were born to the congressman's first wife, Susan. But with the admission of lots of extramarital affairs and the possible common practice of stepparents treating their stepchildren as their own, the actual number of children becomes unclear. I don't know how to clarify it without emphasizing the "these kids have different parents" topic that a blended household tries to eliminate. Entries should be factual but not interfere in family dynamics, I would think. Mdeatherage (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I see, Mdeatherage. Thank you for clarifying. While we're in this section, why even include the year he and his wife met and were married? And "met and married in [the same year]" itself is unnecessarily candid. What about something like "Scott and Amy DesJarlais have three children. They live in (town). They are members of the Epiphany Mission Episcopal Church in Sherwood, Tennessee." Fishlandia (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit: I made the change. Please feel free to improve. Fishlandia (talk) 20:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Representative of Alt-right ideology

Is it even in doubt? Based solely on this tweet: https://twitter.com/desjarlaistn04/status/743491218814996481 Scott DesJarlais can be described as Alt-right. No? ev (talk) 15:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this issue can or should be connected to his ideological affiliation to the alt-right movement, which is the part I want to see added to the article. That is, today Rep. DesJarlais can be considered not only a key member of the political wing of the Freedom Caucus, but also, as a result of that affiliation, can therefore considered a key member of the alt-right movement. ev (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus#/talk/9 ev (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you need to find a reliable secondary source describing DesJarlais as a member of the alt-right before we can say that. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:19, 5 June 2017 (UTC)