Talk:Scotland national football team manager

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Did you know... that a Scotland national football team manager was first appointed in 1954, before which the team was chosen by a Scottish Football Association selection committee?

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Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The role of a Scotland national football team manager was first established in May 1954 with the appointment of Andy Beattie, who took charge of six matches before and during the 1954 FIFA World Cup, when Scotland competed at their first major tournament." I'd split this up into two. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Check.
"Five of those managers were in short-term caretaker or interim manager roles" "short-term caretaker" is redundant. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Check.
"Dawson Walker (six games in charge, while Matt Busby was recuperating from injuries), Malky McDonald (two games), Alex Ferguson (ten games, after the death of Stein), Tommy Burns (one game) and Billy Stark (one game)." why are they listed here? They aren't that important. And why do you mention the tenure of those 6 and not any others? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed.
"No manager has progressed beyond the first group stage of a major competition, despite qualifying for several between 1954 and 1998." to "No manager has progressed beyond the first group stage of a major competition, even though Scotland has qualified for several between 1954 and 1998." YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, except for the second "has" because that period is now past.
"German coach Berti Vogts became the first foreign manager of the team in 2002, but his time in charge was generally seen as a failure and the FIFA World Ranking declined to an all-time low of 88 in March 2005. Walter Smith and Alex McLeish achieved better results, with the ranking improving to an all-time high of 13 in October 2007, but both were only briefly in charge before returning to club management. George Burley and Craig Levein both had worse results with the team and were eventually sacked. Levein was replaced on a caretaker basis by Billy Stark, before Gordon Strachan was named as Levein's permanent replacement in January 2013." why do you mention amangers from post-2002 and not in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's (that did not qualify). Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What is the SFA? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Scottish Football Association. I have moved the full name / link to the first instance where the SFA is mentioned.
"For example in 2008 manager George Burley helped to recruit Terry Butcher, a former teammate at Ipswich Town, as his assistant.[1][2][3] " comma after "example". YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
"There were large inconsistencies in selection, however, and players were often picked without some or all of the selectors having watched them play.[5]" first comma should be a semicolon. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
"Until 1954, the Scotland team was chosen by a Scottish Football Association (SFA) selection committee.[5][14] " Why do you spell out/say what it is here but not above? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Corrected per above.
"The role of manager was first established in May 1954 with the appointment of Andy Beattie, who took charge on a part-time basis while continuing as manager of Huddersfield Town.[14] Beattie took the team to the 1954 FIFA World Cup, but the SFA only allowed him to select a travelling party of 13 players.[14] Beattie, who felt this restriction placed him in an impossible position, resigned during the tournament, which Scotland were eliminated from after a 7–0 defeat by Uruguay.[14]" "an impossible position" to do what? build a winning program? Or start a world war? :P YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Rewritten.
"In March 1959, Andy Beattie became Scotland manager for a second time.[14] He resigned in November 1960 as he decided to concentrate on managing Nottingham Forest.[14]" same here. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Rewritten, although I am not sure if it has made it any clearer.
" had an impressive win ratio." win loss ratio or win loss/tie ratio? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Amended. Third party sources in UK often confuse win ratio with winning percentage, perhaps because it is felt that the latter term is an Americanism. It is one step removed from "winningest", which Brits loathe.
"Ormond suffered from player indiscipline during his time in charge.[29] This included an infamous incident where Jimmy Johnstone, after a night out drinking, sat in a rowing boat that was drifting out to sea.[29] " I'd combine these two setences and change "during his time" to "during his tenure". YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
"As a consequence, Stein was facing significant pressure to ensure qualification for the tournament in Mexico." source? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Expanded to include a source.
"Ferguson remained in charge until the 1986 World Cup, from which Scotland were eliminated in the group stage." source? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I have slightly rewritten this bit and added a statistical reference.
"Roxburgh resigned in September 1993, following 61 matches in charge, after failing to achieve qualification for the 1994 FIFA World Cup.[44]" to "Roxburgh resigned in September 1993 after managing 61 matches and failing to qualify for the 1994 FIFA World Cup.[44]" YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I have removed the "61 matches" bit. He resigned because the team failed to qualify, not because he had managed quite a lot of games.
" Brown continued to rely on a group of ageing players" typo. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- It is ageing (with an e) in British English, which would apply here.
"Vogts largely had to build a new side" side? huh? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I think this is clearer now.
"but were eliminated when by a defeat against Italy in the final match.[56]" to "but were eliminated after losing against Italy in the final match.[56]" YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
"then decided to sack him after a heavy defeat in a friendly match against Wales.[61]" switch it up and substitute "sack" for "dismiss". YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane
- Done

Otherwise, it's good. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review, @Yellow Evan: any further comments would be appreciated. It's always good to get a fresh eye on these articles. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]