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"6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." - Wikipedia:Notability (music).

  • Klayton of Celldweller is highly notable since his works have been on commercials, films, games and has also received awards for his works.
  • Varien's material has been in the charts.

Both artists are labeled under the FiXT label, an American independent media company with several divisions including a record label, an online music store, a film/TV/video game music licensing arm, and a remix contest site and community. Surely this music duo project should meet the criteria for musicians and ensembles since there are two independently notable musicians. - SilentDan297 talk 14:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to recent request for deletion (Oct 18 2017)- A topic is presumed to merit an article if: 1) It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right; and 2) It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy. - Wikipedia:Notability

This topic merits it's own article, as it follows the proper Subject-specific guidelines in the notability section. Since both GNG and MUSICBIOS were flagged, I will address both. However, I find that since the article already meets Wikipedia:Notability (music) it should not be up for deletion regardless. The article simply needs to be edited and updated with new sources and reference links.

Failure WP:GNG Since most coverage on music nowadays is digital, that is to be expected for most if not all references. Although currently there are more citations that are directly attached to Klayton, Varien, and FiXT; more will be added in an attempt to clean up the article. This will come with time, as well as with new media coverage of new music to be coming out. Currently Scandroid has been featured on dozens of websites; such as Nerdist (Nerdist Industries), Retro Synthwave , NewRetroWave, Electrozombies, and numerous other well established music news sites. All references and sources will be utilized to their fullest during the editing of this article. (Articles linked above are simply a handful of examples)

Failure WP:MUSICBIO Although already stated in previous Talk discussion, I will reiterate what has already been said and add to it. "6. Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." - Wikipedia:Notability (music). Again, as mentioned previously, both Klayton and Varien fit this description. Klayton runs numerous projects including, but not limited to, Celldweller, Circle of Dust, and Scandroid. Has won numerous awards, and topped digital charts across the world. His music has also been featured in TV, video games, and other popular media. Varien, again, has had material top digital charts as well. Please review what was said under "Notability" in regards to the label as it is best detailed there. As well as following criteria for #6 on notability, you can also apply #5 to Scandroid alone. As it states: "5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." Scandroid has released 2 albums, Scandroid and Dreams of Neo-Tokyo, as well as 3 Remix Compilation Albums. A third album will be releasing Oct 27. Since FiXT has a roster that includes people such as Blue Stahli and Voicians, as well as owning Subterra Records, I find that they should be considered an "important label" as described.

cssc 05:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casshums (talk • contribs)

The links to the three zines fail GNG. The first two are not considered reliable sources as they don't have bylines (authors) listed. The last is simple routine coverage: it lists the lyrics and a few details about the video.
That the members are notable doesn't seem to have helped this band as the presumption hasn't panned-out in any real press (GNG).
The label is Klayton's own and is not notable. They're vanity recordings.
Taken to AfD. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article only needs to meet either the GNG or MUSICBIO, and since this article is music specific then it can fall under either. Please see Wikipedia:Notability at the very top it gives you two basic rules. Follow the GNG or topic specific guidelines, and do not go against what Wikipedia is not. Both of which are being followed. Both artists clearly follow MUSICBIO, as well as their projects. There is an entire list of criteria for musicians, 12 possible choices that only one has to be applied. I have already described two of them. "That the members are notable doesn't seem to have helped this band as the presumption hasn't panned-out in any real press" <- This doesn't sound impartial, in fact it sounds like you have a biased against them? If you are not neutral on the topic you have no right editing the article. Please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, I could easily be wrong however you should remain impartial. Both musicians are notable and worth mention so much so they have their own pages: Klayton, Celldweller, Varien. The music label is founded and owned by Klayton, however the article is not. Just because he is the owner of the label does not discredit the label as its own entity. The general guideline does not state that the owner of the label cannot produce. An independent label is loosely defined as a label with several years experience, and a roster of notable producers. If you define notable as just having a Wikipedia article: alumni Atlas Plug, and lvl as well as current producers The Algorithm, Blue Stahli, Celldweller, Circle of Dust, The Qemists, and Scandroid. There are countless artists under Subterra Records, which is owned by FiXT, as well as a handful of alumni and FiXT artists that do not have Wikipedia pages. This article clearly abides by MUSICBIO, and since it follows protocol for it's specific topic guidelines I find that the deletion is unnecessary; as well as adding the PROD back. I understand you recently reverted it, which is fine, however you should not violate the general guidelines for objection. I've clearly explained that it follows protocol for both criteria 5 and 6, under the Music specific guidelines. I will gladly discuss in AfD however, it seems as though this is simply harassment or possible vandalism considering that hint of bias shown earlier. I would hope that isn't the case however, but unless you provide evidence that you are willing to help the article instead of push it to deletion then I will assume this as a form of harassment as well as against the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view guidelines. You can correct me if I'm wrong, that's the whole point of editing. cssc 14:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casshums (talk • contribs)

Having conducted these for more than five years I can tell you that the general consensus is that the article needs to meet GNG. MUSICBIO presumes a subject is notable if that criteria is met. It's rare to have an AfD close successfully without meeting GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's understandable, however it still follows the general guidelines laid out by Wikipedia. Age does no equate to knowledge base, especially if you are attempting to manipulate the rules. It still follows criteria to be considered for music notability, so I don't see how this article deletion is appropriate. Simply because one editor does not find the subject important does not mean that it isn't, that is why it is being rewritten and edited in an attempt to meet demand. However, you have still shown no proof that you are willing to assist (past minor syntax editing) but rather that you are simply pushing for deletion. cssc 16:10, 20 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casshums (talk • contribs)

Seriously. You've now accused me of persecution and manipulation. Are there any other insults you'd like to hurl at me so you can get it out of your system? Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not accusing you, I am simply stating my observation. If I am wrong prove me wrong, I am trying to rebuttal what you're saying by using what Wikipedia's own guidelines. You PROD the page without very little reasoning, and no attempt to try and assist in writing/editing for the page. I am just concerned for the health of this article. cssc 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casshums (talk • contribs)

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