Talk:SayHerName/Archive 1

Archive 1

Bias in the Article

This article appears to lean on the side advocating for the #SayHerName movement and against the subjugation of black women as they are affected by police brutality/violence. Statements that indicate bias, for example, are "...this is exacerbated by stereotypes of aggressiveness and poor emotional control...", "...high rates of queer and transgender women of color who have been disproportionally targeted...", and the final sentence of the article, "...today, black women are raped, brutalized and killed by the police... and not empathized or helped". I find there is an issue with your stance on the topic in it not always being neutral and veering in the direction away from solely stating facts; you seem to inject your own viewpoint by using words that reveal a strong negative or positive connotation. Despite this critique, I think the way in which you discuss and bring this movement to light is commendable and serves to really capture the reader's attention.

Camomileviolet (talk) 00:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC) February 13, 2017

Peer Review

Andrewcm123 has made several substantial edits to the "Say Her Name" wiki. The additions of the "Suggestions" and "Supporters" sections each provide valuable information that was previously missing from the articles. However, I would encourage Andrewcm123 to spend more time crafting their language, making sure to remain objective and speak factually. Someone has already edited the language and organization of the Supporters section. Their edits provide a good example of how to properly craft a new section. In addition, I would encourage you to paraphrase rather than quote the AAPF's suggestions in the suggestion section. Overall, I think Andrewcm123 is on the right track and has already made several substantial edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackfoos (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Social Media Presence

Great page, but I have a few suggestions for improvements.

1. Under the social media presence subheading, citation number 19 is a Huffington Post article. This is not a very credible source. Huffington Post is well-known to be a left-leaning American news source. If you're going to cite from a newspaper, it should be international and neutral.

2. Citation 21 does not lead to the specific web page that contains the statistic about the percentage of deaths since 1999. Therefore, viewers are unable to verify the statistic. The link should direct to the exact page where the information is listed. The wording also does not state what year this statistic was created, so there should be a timeframe rather than just listing the beginning year. This will make the statistic more accurate.

Deneaum (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

When you discuss support from celebrities, I don't think you need to include that they mainly support via social media since you've already stated several times that the movement is really twitter based. Dezhadial (talk) 15:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Names in report

A suggestion -- it might help if the names listed as being in the May 2015 report were sorted, either by name or by date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.44.18 (talk) 19:37, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Intersectionality References

Why isn’t Kimberle Crenshaw’s 1989 article, “Demarginalizing the intersection of race and sex: A Black feminist critique of antidiscrimination doctrine, feminist theory, and antiracist politics [Published in the University of Chicago Legal Forum],” and/or her 1990 article, “Mapping the margins: Intersectionality, identity politics, and violence against women of color [Published in the Stanford Law Review],” cited in place of Britney Cooper’s more recent scholarly reference entry about the concept? Citing Crenshaw seems more accurate since it would verify the date the term emerged, as well as the person who is widely known for originating and publishing about it. In fact, I don’t recall seeing a reference to Crenshaw’s article in the reference section despite the frequent occurrence of the term Intersectionality in this article. JaneNova (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Ashli Babbitt

Obviously #SayHerName is not for her, but some people are using it anyway. Here are a few sources covering the misappropriation:

https://www.newsweek.com/say-her-name-used-memorialize-ashli-babbitt-draws-backlash-online-over-phrases-origin-1559867
https://theglowup.theroot.com/she-s-been-identified-as-ashli-babbitt-no-we-will-not-1846009776
https://www.revolt.tv/2021/1/7/22219071/trump-supporters-say-her-name-ashli-babbit-twitter

Worth a small mention in the article?--Pokelova (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Edits

I'm a student working on a Wikipedia project for my Social Movements and Social Media class, and I plan to add to this article mostly by making minor grammatical/spelling edits and add differentiated sources, since many sentences on the page reference the same sources. I also plan to add information about Say Her Name's impact on social media. M.nie (talk) 09:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I am also planning on making the voice and tone of this article more neutral. I think the current tone of this article can be too academic. Also, some sections read like they were taken off the website or marketing materials. M.nie (talk) 09:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm a student planning on making changes for my Race and Ethnicity sociology class. I want to add "our demands" from the AAPF website as well as talk about the mothers network that begun in 2016. Jrm15 (talk) 17:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Article opening

I think so far you have a strong opening to your article. I think in moving forward it will be good to maybe also add something about some things that could be potentially problematic with something like this that promotes a gender binary. In your section about social media presence I think it will be good to talk about how wide spread this social media movement was including some people who have tweeted it, as well as maybe some sort of argument about how effective (or not) social media movements can be. I also think it could help to add something about intersectional identities, and link to that wiki page as well as talk more about how this movement is intersectional. I'm not sure, but I thinking you could look at past social media movements for some sort of scholarly articles to use as comparisons if there are not a lot written on this specific movement/topic yet.

21:46, 2 November 2015 (UTC)Femme fatale218 (talk)

It's slightly weird that a campaign specifically about women (with "her" in the title) is prominently described as "gender-inclusive" in the first sentence. Equinox ◑ 21:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I think BlackLivesMatter is widely known, but BlackGirlsMatter is not as well known. It might be nice to add a link to that hashtag. Personally, I've heard of BlackGirlMagic and thought it might be a typo. I think it was good to include the link of the report you were discussing. Dezhadial (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm currently contributing to this article for my Social Media and Engagement course. I noticed that there might be a mistake in this article and I included this in my sandbox for a possible change in the article. At the end, it states that the AAPF coined the term in February 2015, but once you refer back to the website, they claim that it was established in December 2014. Any thoughts? Azjah.Glover (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC) Azjah G.

General Suggestions

This article offers a good introduction to the “Say Her Name” Movement and provides important information on its origins. However, I have a few suggestions for its improvement.

1. Much of what is said in the opening paragraphs is reiterated in subsequent sections. Consider creating a more general and concise opening paragraph and move the information regarding the AAPF report to the section on AAPF’s role in the movement.

2. There are lots of small grammatical errors in the text. Consider going back through and checking each sentence for correct grammar, punctuation, spelling and clarity.

3. Sources such as “ebony.com”, The Huffington Post, The Guardian, Democracy Now and The Feminist Wire are unreliable because of their bias. Consider corroborating what is said by these sources with other sources that are peer-reviewed or scholarly in nature if possible.

Jordyn.seidman (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Consider revising paraphrasing and close paraphrasing in the article, particularly from AAPF page. "provides some analytical frames for understanding their experiences and broadens dominant conceptions of who experiences state violence and what it looks like" AAPF "the report provides an analytical framework for understanding black women's susceptibility to police brutality and state-sanctioned violence " Wiki Article Close enough to be considered plagiarism Sgarc23 (talk) 22:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the #SayHerName movement through the lens of social media and intersectionality was a great decision and was discussed thoroughly. The subtopic of #BlackLivesMatter may have been overstated a little in the article. Maybe removing some of the detail in the opening and keeping it for the body paragraph would help with that problem.Rachbri (talk) 00:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC) Rachbri (talk) 00:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I believe this article deviates too much into Intersectionality, a feminist concept, and that the section should be honed down to a sentence. I would be more open to the inclusion of this section if the founder of the movement had discussed Intersectionality at length. Instead, it reads to me like the Wikipedia page for Intersectionality, not Say Her Name. I also think that the section on the spread of the movement should be moved under source of the movement, which can be renamed to history of the movement Llevan2 (talk) 16:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Update: Information that needs to be updated are the names associated with the #SayHerName hashtag since August of 2016 when it was last updated. For example, Chyna Gibson and Keke Collier (both trans Black woman). These would be good to add and reference in the article, especially when mentioning the implications of not considering not just cis Black women, but also trans in the #SayHerName advocacy. Yannasummer (talk) 03:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I believe the starting sentence in the Mothers Network section should be revised as the wording seems a bit awkward. Azjah.Glover (talk) 09:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

For the Results section of the article, there is no mention of how Breonna Taylor law that was enforced because of her death and how the movement enabled the conversation to keep going until there was justice. Should there be mention of this in Results or possibly the Social Media section? Azjah.Glover (talk) 06:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The last two sentences in Criticism should be moved somewhere else because it only continues to state statistics about Black women and not the criticism towards the #SayHerName campaign. Azjah.Glover (talk) 05:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Intersectionality Clarification Tag

Kia ora!. I think that the intersectionality section needs a little work. At the moment, it sounds like the #SayHerName movement is built off academic texts, which is incorrect. I think it would be better to reword the section to say that is is intersectional, give examples, then link it back to the theory that underpins intersectionality. Before I make those changes and remove the tag I'd like some input, however. Nauseous Man (talk) 23:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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