Talk:Sati (Hindu goddess)

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Merge

I agree with the merge with Parvati, as the most common name. A new article on Parvati should have sections explaining the different names; including Sati, Uma, Gauri, Parvati. Imc 10:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, unfortunately there are many hinduism pages on wikipedia that should only be one. Before there was Shiva and Mahadeva, and there are many more to still be merged. Da Gizza ^{Chat (c)} 10:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this should be merged. they are not different names for the same person. They are names for different forms of the same person. Both have different stories and completely different articles can be written about them. It will be bit like merging Rama and Krishna because they are different forms of Vishnu. Makes no sense. -- Ravikiran 08:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

True, in a sense they are all different aspects. But it has to be pointed out that they are different representations of the one Goddess in the article, the whole structure of all of these articles will then need to be almost entirely rewritten, with not too much repitition across Kali, Parvati, Dakshayani, Devi and Shakti. Da Gizza ^{Chat (c)} 08:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All the articles are in a mess anyway :) and it will not be too much of an overhead to rewrite them. If we can agree that the focus of this article should be on the Sati Dakhsayani story from her birth to immolation and that the focus of the Parvati story ought to be on her life as daughter of Parvata, we have enough material for two articles. There are many ways to link them and mention them as the same person without putting everything into one article. --Ravikiran 14:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well in a sense, all of the Hindu goddesses are aspects of Devi, the mother goddess. That has to done said. Then Parvati and Shakti have many aspects of themselves and have existed under many names, which also has to be mentioned. Something similar could be done to this like the avatars of Vishnu. A small paragraph can be put near the top of the page, which points out that they are part of the same original Goddess, while most of the rest of the article talks about what that aspect did. We can also make new Category such as "Aspects of Parvati" and template for each aspect etc... Da Gizza ^{Chat (c)} 20:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There can't be as many articles as there are demons, sages and gods, so you must concentrate on the most prominent. You could spin off stubs for the lesser lights. Consolidatation would be mistaken due to the rightness of ramification.

Clarification

I realise that the two wives of Shiva were actually two birth (incarnations) on earth of the same goddess Uma. The first wife renounced her material self in order to be born "the daughter of a father who she could respect"; was thus reborn; and wed the same lord Shiva again. I have made specific mention of all this in the article.

However, when I first created the "Dakshayani" page on 16/July/05, I designed it specifically to deal with the many legend and devotions regarding the FIRST wife of Shiva. This was a daughter of Daksha, hence I chose the well-known name "Dakshayani" as the title. The several names of Dakshayani (including "Sati", "Gowri" and "Lalitha") are also routinely applied to Parvati, second wife of Shiva and a daughter of Himavan. However, the cluster of legends associated with Parvati had best be kept on the "Parvati" page while this page is devoted to Dakshayani. This is best; please keep it so. ImpuMozhi 00:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The name 'Gauri'

The article currently says She was named Gowri, the turmeric-hued one, since she was of the fair, golden complexion of auspicious turmeric. I know that the name Gauri is sometimes said to mean 'golden', but thought that it more often derived from the wild cow / buffalo (the female of Gaur)? 'Gauri the beautiful' is a reference to this animal. Imc 18:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the statement about turmeric-hued since there is no reference, and the Puranic Encyclopaedia says that Brahma changed her colour from black to that of 'lotus petal', without saying what that colour is. I've changed Gowri to Gauri, as the standard transliteration. Imc 20:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the statement back, and have provided a reference for the meaning of the name. Hope this helps. Regards, ImpuMozhi 05:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning given at http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Gauri.html is yellow, not turmeric coloured. Nevertheless, I have left 'turmeric hued' there for the present. Other web references say it means golden. While I'm still going by my memory with this, I still think there is an origin for this name with the cow, and of course, the gaur is the wild buffalo of south Asia. Imc 07:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a great kindness, even if only "for the present". If you want to argue that 'turmeric coloured' is different from 'yellow coloured', you clearly have more free time on your hands than you know what to do with. Circumstances are less happy for others here; you can do just as you please "in future" with no intervention from me. ImpuMozhi 15:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Putting unreferenced material on talk page.

Contradictions

In 36th Sarga of Balakanda of Valmiki Ramayana, it is mentioned that Parvati married Eswara and Kumara Swamy was born of Eswara. Now in Shivapurana and perhaps other puranas and also in Ramacharithamanas, it is described that Sati accosts Rama while he was searching for Sita after she was abducted by Ravana in Aranya Kanda. Simply speaking, Parvati was the reincarnation of Sati. Once there is the story of Parvati in Bala Kanda, Sati should have been long dead before Balakanda. How she surfaces again in Aranya Kanda is very puzzling. It may perhaps mean that these puranas cannot be taken at face value.

Also, what has the "teleserial" line to do with a serious mythological entry? I'm surprised that the Wikipedia moderation, so precise and at times grim even on accurate statements, had nothing to object to such questionable an addition instead, and let it through (besides, without even a precise reference to which installment -if any...- of this "teleserial"). This type of elements ought to be placed in the "See Also" section, instead than suddenly intruding and tampering with the flux of a professional entry. Smacks us in the face like the addon of a teenager :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.34.137.9 (talk) 18:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move

Dakshayani → Sati (goddess) – Two reasons:

Dakshayani meaning "daughter of Daksha" is used as an epithet for any daughter of Daksha, not exclusively Sati. [1][2][3]: as an epithet of Aditi here.
WP:COMMONNAME: Dakshayani 622 + 587 + 640 (coupled with Shiva/Siva to eliminate other Dakshayanis) v/s 108, 000 + 31, 100 (coupled with Shiva/Siva to eliminate Sati practice - which also gains the name from the goddess).Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone,
I would like to share a small correction to this. The translation of Dakshayani does not means Daksha's daughter, it means the lady who follows Daksha's footsteps-Daksha+Ayana (A similar usage is Ramayana- Rama+Ayana means The ayana of Rama i.e. the life of Rama - A possible tranlation). Sati was Daksha's most favorite daughter. She accompanied Daksha every where and earned the alias name Dakshayani. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ram K Bhattatirippad (talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spiritual meaning of the myth of Sati

The father of Sati performed a yagna, a fire ceremony, but he did not invite Shiva, the husband of his daughter. Sati then immolated herself afterward Shiva came, he decapited her father and replaced his head by one of a goat. The father of Sati is the ego which reject the soul, here Shiva. As a result, the truth, represented by Sati whom root is sat- meaning truth, the dharma are burned, destroyed. But the soul (Shiva) always destroy the ego in the end and Shiva replace his head by one of a goat because the goat is linked to the ritual sacrifice in India.86.198.12.189 (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss the redirection of the page Gowri to this page

Hi everyone,
There is a redirection of Gowri to Sati (goddess) even though philosophically they are worshiped as mother Goddess. Both are supposed to be different characters. Sati devi is the child of Daksha and Gowri means- the fair lady, an adjective or alias name given to Shri Parvati, the daughter of King Himavana. There are other alias name given to Shri Parvati like Aparna(the lady who did not have any sustenance, the name she earned when she left palace in penance of Shiva). Similarly Sati Devi also have alias name Dakshayani (follower of Dakshas path, the name she earned as she always accompanied Daksha Prajapati, being his favorite daughter). So please discuss whether you prefer to redirect Gowri to Parvati or keep it to Sati (goddess).
Thanks Ram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ram K Bhattatirippad (talk • contribs) 12:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am in favor of having the redirect of Gowri be to Parvati. Best, AD64

Should the sections Legend and Full Story be consolidated?

Hello everyone. It seems that the structure of this article is a bit confusing. I wonder if the sections Legend and Full Story should be merged? When those were written, or inserted, what was the purpose of that particular distinction? It seems confusing to me. I wonder if a single section entitled Mythology of Sati (or something like that), might be more useful here? Best wishes, AD64 (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Sati (Hindu goddess) be renamed and moved to Sati (goddess).

result:
Withdrawn. No action as per suggestions. (non-admin closure) – 245CMR (talk) 15:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sati (Hindu goddess) → Sati (goddess) – Unnecessary double redirect. The Egyptian goddess is called Satis .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 12:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ User talk:245CMR, ~~suppose you nominate this at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests as uncontroversial.~~--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw Support, Retain as Sati (Hindu goddess) for clarity. Encyclopedia of Ancient Deities notes Sati as a significant name of the Eqyptian goddess. The Gods of the Egyptians by E. A. Wallis Budge.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose @Redtigerxyz: the Egyptian goddess is also called Sati in many sources, see Greifenhagen Egypt on the Pentateuch's Ideological Map p236 "Porten 1996 eports an oath sworn by a Judean by the Egyptian goddess Sati, consort of the Egyptian Elephantine god Khnum.", Modrzejewski The Jews of Egypt: From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian 33 1997 "Then, an oath was imposed upon you and you swore to me about them by Sati the goddess. ... She did not hesitate to bring her case before the local authorities and swear by the Egyptian goddess Sati, consort of Khnum the ram-god." etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please check these books — Encyclopedia of goddesses and heroines, Dictionary of gods and goddesses and Encyclopedia of Ancient Deities. Many inter-religion encyclopedias use "Sati" for the Hindu goddess and "Satis" for the Egyptian goddess. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 14:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What for? We know that Satis and Sati are both used for the Egyptian goddess, are you saying that they shouldn't be? You need to petition the publishers to withdraw the books, not tell us. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you being so aggressive ? I just said that these texts used "Sati" for "Hindu" and "Satis" for "Egyptian". I didn't said that these books remove Sati from the epithets of Satis. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 17:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing "aggressive" :( I'm merely asking you what for? Why? We know that many books uses Satis. The point is that some books use Sati. That's why the article has (Hindu goddess) to help readers. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@In ictu oculi and Redtigerxyz:Ok. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 11:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per others. Sati seems to be an alternate version of Satis that is mentioned in WP:RS._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Infobox image

@Redtigerxyz: and other users.

Right now, the lead image is this one: File:Kalighat_Shiva_mourns_Sati.jpg

I think this one would be better: File:Kubera_and_his_wife_presenting_gifts_to_sat.jpg

Please share your veiws. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 15:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

any image where Sati is with Shiva is preferred. File:Kubera_and_his_wife_presenting_gifts_to_sat.jpg is a modern rendition, while the Kalighat painting is more traditional iconography.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Redtigerxyz: I think the current image File:Shiva and Sati.jpg is good .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 16:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Redtigerxyz:, please review the article except for the sections shakti peeth and legacy. I have to change it. .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 16:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sati, Shiva's first consort

Most of the reference state that Sati was the first consort of Shiva.

Hindu goddess by David Kinsley - "Since epic times, when Pärvati first appeared as a significant deity, she has been identified as a reincarnation of the goddess Sati, Siva's first wife, who committed suicide because of an insult to her husband." .💠245CMR💠.•^👥📜 06:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial and Scientific - Sati, a hindoo goddess, first of Shiva.
For the Lord of the Animals-Poems from the Telugu - Daksa was the father of Shiva's first wife, Sati.

Is Parvati Sati's sister?

I've read this Wikipedia page many times and thought it was well-written and demonstrated a simple and easy version of Devi Sati's tale. However, something that stood out to me recently is that Devi Parvati was listed as Devi Sati's sister or co-wife. As a Hindu myself, I've been taught since a young age that Devi Parvati was the reincarnation of Sati, both forms of Mata Adi Parashakti. Devi Parvati is not Devi Sati's sister but they both, being forms of Mahadevi herself, are the same. I just wanted to clarify this and hope to see some changes done in the article because I have never seen a single source stating that Devi Parvati is her sibling. I'd hate to change it myself. 104.230.12.92 (talk) 23:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Puranas, Sati is the daughter of Daksha. Parvati is her reincarnation, the daughter of Himavan. They are not siblings, no. Chronikhiles (talk) 01:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]