Talk:Sart

Separation between the Uzbek and Uyghur nationalities

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the whole paragraph is about dubious conclusions and overstretched arguments - NEEDS to be deleted or re-worked.

Tajik

It's relevant to the article that the name "Tajik" itself means nomad. Literally a tent-dweller from taj = tent; from the similarity of a tent to a crown. It was used by the Iranians to describe both their nomadic brother-nations of central-Asia and the Semitic Bedouin of Arabia. In the latter case Tajik has been altered to Tazi. The original compound may have been taj-zik, tent-dweller. Historical shift now presents Tajik as settled, contrary to it's original meaning! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.246.16 (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Uyghur nationalist or pan turkist original research.

I just deleted a massive original research paragraph which was full of errors, and appeared to be full of pan turkist nonsense. It claims that the jadist pan turkists came up with the name uyghur. They did not. It was europeans, and especially the Russians who took the name uyghur and applied it to the turki people of the tarim basin. The uzbeks and uyghurs were never called the same names. Even uyghurs (turkis) living in different areas were known by different names. Turkis in the tarim basin were called by whatever oases they lived in, like kashgari. Turkis who lived in dzungharia or in central asia were called Taranchi. Uzbeks were called uzbeks.Rajmaan (talk) 01:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

About the dialect

"This dialect proved itself to be largely incomprehensible to most inhabitants of the primary cities, from Tashkent to Bukhara". It is wrong, because Uzbeks speaking different dialects can understand each other with no problems. 213.230.100.185 (talk) 15:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The vowel harmony

It is not true that Uzbek language has not any vowel harmony. Although the vowel harmony is not represented on the current writing system, Uzbek is a vowel-harmonic language like other Turkic languages. 213.230.103.34 (talk) 10:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Text from Iranica

The term sart, or sārt is attested from the eleventh century in the sense ‘merchant, trader’; it is apparently derived from Indic (cf. Sanskrit sārthavāha ‘caravan-leader, merchant’) by way of Iranian (probably Parthian sartvā) and Uighur (sartbāu). In Mongol usage, as sartaul and sartaqtai, it referred generally to Iranian Muslims; sārt had thus become an ethnonym, a synonym for tāzik (Barthold, “Sart,” EI¹ 4, pp. 175-76). Conversely, “Tajik” came to mean ‘[Persian] merchant’ in the wider Turkic world: on the occasion of the Russian conquest of Kazan in 1552, the city was surrounded by a “ditch of the Tajiks” (tezičkii/ tešičkii rov), “Tajik” here being glossed as ‘merchants’ (Barthold, “Tādjīk,” EI1 4, p. 598b; Schaeder, p. 31). As Turkic settlement in the Oxus basin expanded, sārt seems to have evolved from an ethnonym into an “econym” (similar to earlier use of tāt; Schaeder, p. 9, note 4), designating the sedentary, agrarian population of the oases, whether speakers of Persian or Turkic, as distinct from the nomadic, tribally-organized Turks (Bābor-nāma, 26ff., 236; tr. Beveridge, pp. 6-7, 149; Schaeder, pp. 31-32, 34; Bregel, “Turko-Mongol influences,” pp. 62-63). As Stalin’s official ethnolinguisitc frontiers were fixed, Persian-speaking Sarts became Tajiks, and Turkic-speaking Sarts became Uzbeks. --Wario-Man (talk) 13:21, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Redirect needed from Sartic

A redirect to this article is needed from Sartic, this term being used in the literature by scholars such as Pamela Kyle Crossley. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)