Talk:Saraiki

Saraiki requested move

There is a move discussion at Talk:Saraiki dialect that could potentially affect this disambiguation page. – Uanfala (talk) 02:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saraiki requested move Closure request

@Bradv: @KSFT: This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title Saraiki which are; Saraiki dialect, Saraiki people, Saraiki culture, Saraiki dialect (Sindhi), Saraiki literature, Saraiki music, Saraiki diaspora, Saraikistan Movement and List of Saraiki tribes. Move to Saraiki from Saraiki dialect will be a very silly decision.

Majority of verifiable Sources are saying Saraiki is a dialect. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6][7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15], [16], [17] [18] Every language study put Saraiki under Lahnda (Western Punjabi). The Indo-Aryan Languages By Colin P. Masica 1993 Page 289. Lahnda dialects (including Siraiki)[19] ,Page 343. Saraiki and other Lahnda dialects, Page 247. Lahnda (Siraiki) which lacks a Layer 1 instrumental [20] , Page 23. In Pakistan several erstwhile dialects (Siraiki & Dogri) are said to be agitating for language status[21] Page 518. Lahnda/Lahndi (see also Siraiki) [22]

Linguistic survey of India by George Abraham Grierson 1903-1928, Volume 8. Lahnda or Westren Punjabi [23] , The Indo-Aryan Languages By Danesh Jain, George Cardona Panjabi section written by Christopher Shackle in 2007. Page 588, All these structural features of MSP ( Modern Standard Punjabi)...occur in western varieties...in Saraiki and other western dialects. [24] . Page 603. The MSP (Modern Standard Punjabi) declension ....Other varieties have similar pattern...Dogri...Shahpuri...Pothohari...Hindko and Saraiki ... [25], Page 584. Map 16.1 Punjabi area map.............Saraiki ........ [26]

Move to Saraiki from Saraiki dialect will be even worse decision . If you analyse LanguageXpert sock file and IP sock series 39..... Apparently uninvolved users Kautilya3 and Kashmiri are actually involved users. Both see Saraiki dialect as a revenge plate forum against LX. They had verbal abuses with each other at some point in time. so Biased voting without reading the sources have zero weight. Only sources should decide the title. Sources say it is a dialect/variant. 182.188.99.212 (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If Saraiki dialect is moved to Saraiki, this page will be moved to Saraiki (disambiguation). No content would be lost. This would merely be a determination that the dialect is the most common usage of the world Saraiki. It really is nothing personal. Brad v 17:16, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: Combine hits of Saraiki people, Saraiki culture, Saraiki dialect (Sindhi), Saraiki literature, Saraiki music, Saraiki diaspora, Saraikistan Movement and List of Saraiki tribes are more then Saraiki dialect. In Pakistan the word Saraiki is used for ethnicity so Saraiki people could be moved to Saraiki. Sources say Saraiki is a dialect and being linguistics topic it should remain the same. 182.188.99.212 (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there is no point in having this discussion here. The place where this determination will be made is at Talk:Saraiki_dialect#Requested_move_23_December_2016. Comments made elsewhere will not be considered by whoever closes that discussion. Brad v 17:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: we local Pakistani IPs who are most relevant people are being kept away under a incomprehensible approach of edit protection just because of a mad sock master LX. 182.188.99.212 (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, let me ask you this: How did you hear about this discussion? I find it really hard to believe that your very first edit on Wikipedia was to try to influence the outcome of this requested move. Brad v 18:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: U check history of Saraiki dialect. I had been editing the article, and following it since ages. 182.188.99.212 (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Under what account? According to Special:Contributions/182.188.99.212, your first edit was less than two hours ago. Brad v 18:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv: plz ref 182 series in article history. That is my edit log. 182.188.99.212 (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bradv and 182.188.99.212: Page Saraiki is a disambiguation page, and thus it needs to stay where it is. Whether Saraiki is a language or a dialect may affect its text wording, but not its page name. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
IPs can't receive pings, Anthony Appleyard. And this one in particular has also been blocked as a sock. The title of the page can change, and there is a WP:PTOPIC argument being made for it in the RM at Talk:Saraiki dialect. – Uanfala (talk) 09:19, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]