Talk:Sarah Page (prohibitionist)

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Undiscussed move

TheSwamphen, I've reverted your undiscussed move. What is the evidence that "Sarah Saunders Page" is this person's common name? I cannot see that. When I look on PapersPast, I see that she has used this name on a limited number of occasions when she placed notices into a newspaper. Searching for "Sarah Page", I get a much larger number of true positive results, and a good number false positives. I assume because her name was not uncommon, she may have on occasion used "Sarah Saunders Page" to avoid ambiguity. Reading her DNZB entry, they also suggest that Sarah Page was the common name. So you'd have to put some convincing arguments forward why you come to a different conclusion. It's certainly not a simple case where you just go ahead and move a page. Schwede 66 23:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the undiscussed move. Either name would probably be fine. She is referred to as Sarah Saunders Page in https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/blogs/post/sarah-saunders-page-too-radical/ and http://voicesagainstwar.nz/exhibits/show/women-peacemakers/sarah-saunders-page--a-courage TheSwamphen (talk) 00:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also do you know if any of the photos of her here http://voicesagainstwar.nz/exhibits/show/women-peacemakers/sarah-saunders-page--a-courage can be used on Wikipedia? TheSwamphen (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's very common that bio entries (be they blogs or formal writing) use people's full name in the title. Even DNZB does that, but notably not in this case. Looking at the library blog, my interest was drawn to her death. Looking what was published in the contemporary newspapers, I find two entries (funeral notice and a university bequest) and they both use "Sarah Page".

No, those photos can't be used. The photographer is not identified. The earliest of those was taken in 1920. Say the photographer was young (born 1900). If they died as a centenarian, they may have been alive as recently as 2000. According to NZ law, the creator of a photo must have been dead for 50 years before their work becomes public domain; see c:Template:PD-New Zealand/en. Schwede 66 01:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. That's good to know. It would be great to find a photo of her to use in this article. I'm sure there is a public domain one out there somewhere. TheSwamphen (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I becomes a lot easier if you find a photo where the photographer is known; that's often the key to meet the PD requirements. Schwede 66 04:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is difficult with historical photos because often there is no known photographer. I uploaded this photo https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sarah_Ann_McMurray_(cropped).jpg earlier this year, which I hope is okay. The website had it as Attribution + NonCommercial, but I assumed it was in the public domain? TheSwamphen (talk) 05:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if someone objects, it'll be a goner. The photographer could easily still have been alive in 1973. Schwede 66 18:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]