This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Circus. If you would like to participate please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.CircusWikipedia:WikiProject CircusTemplate:WikiProject CircusCircus articles
This article was created or improved as part of the Women in Red project. The editor(s) involved may be new; please assume good faith regarding their contributions before making changes.Women in RedWikipedia:WikiProject Women in RedTemplate:WikiProject Women in RedWomen in Red articles
A fact from Sara Houcke appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Sara Houcke began performing in circuses at the age of two as a child clown?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT1: ... that tiger tamer Sara Houcke became famous for foregoing negative tools like whips to command her tigers and instead used whispered instructions?
@Silver seren, Crisco 1492, and Bruxton: Very cool biography! I've had to pull this out of prep because I don't think the hook fact passes muster. The cited Times source says The Ringling publicity machine has dubbed her the "Tiger Whisperer,", which sounds more like this is a marketing/PR term than something in actual wide usage. We could just edit the hook to match, but people tend to complain at errors when we repeat marketing terms uncritically. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough - I'm seeing to Google Searching "Tiger Whisperer" first returns a number of other people, including a woman who was ultimately mauled by her tigers. I'll review any alts. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I made some comments here before promotion but they were erased with this edit. I put them back in this nomination above your comment and formatted the indents of following comments. About the moniker, I understand the concern, but probably all showbiz nicknames have a marketing/publicity genesis, like the "Dog Whisperer" - Cesar Millan. Or the "Crocodile Hunter" - Steve Irwin. Bruxton (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bruxton and Silver seren: Yes, corporate branding can catch on in mainstream discourse, but the hook doesn't verify because nowhere in the source does it say that this moniker has caught on. She's not widely known as the Tiger Whisperer. As to whether we could just attribute correctly... we could, but I think there would still be a problem at ERRORS because editors generally don't like it when a hook is based on "a corporation has chosen to brand their performer/product this way". theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even with the full unshortened hook I originally made above? Even with her having not even been in the position for nearly two decades now and Ringling not even having animals anymore? I honestly don't see the promotion. It's bizarre to claim something from years and years ago to be promotional now. SilverserenC22:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Years later, so Houcke gets it first. And more than one person can have the same nickname anyway. I'm not sure why it would have anything to do with this hook? SilverserenC23:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Silver seren: thank you, I do appreciate that this is kind of a sucky process. ALT2 is verified and interesting; ALT1 claims that she whispers her commands, a claim contradicted by its source, and it is not approved (although it could easily be workshopped). The "Tiger Whisperer" moniker isn't that literal, I suppose. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]