Talk:Saplings (novel)
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Requested move 10 November 2023
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved and Saplings redirect target changed to Tree#Overview. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Saplings → Saplings (novel) – WP:ASTONISH, DAB from Sapling, The Saplings and Saplings (Weeds). The novel has 51 views but the film has 22, the sculpture (which may be a PTM) has 23 and the plant has 246 despite is being a redirect, the target Tree has 51,580[[1]]. Google only returns one result for the novel, Images only returns the plant and Books returns the novel as the 1st result but only once it appears. By long-term significance the plant is clearly primary. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Bluelink patrol/Archive 2022 there were 13 links for the plant while there are now only 5 mainspace links which suggests despite the bias of the title being about the novel users still link to the plant more often. Either the title should become a DAB using the plural as there aren't any singular matches apart from the countable noun or the title can redirect to the same target as the singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nomination. The seven-sentence stub delineating the novel is not primary over all the other uses. Likewise support creation of a Sapling disambiguation page with Saplings redirecting to it (if preferred by consensus, I would alternatively support a Saplings dab page with Sapling redirecting to it). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Roman Spinner: Why do we need a DAB page at the singular? All the other uses are plural so the singular isn't ambiguous. For the same reason we probably wouldn't need to redirect the singular to a plural DAB as people searching in the singular aren't likely looking for any of the plural uses which don't appear to also use the singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale: Since Sapling redirects to Tree and not Trees and there is Tree (disambiguation), rather than Trees (disambiguation), it occurred to me that consensus might prefer the singular form. That said, each dab page adheres to factors appropriate to its circumstances and the proposed Sapling/Saplings dab would be of course much shorter than the lengthy Tree (disambiguation) and would indeed contain plural forms. Having written, "(if preferred by consensus, I would alternatively support a Saplings dab page with Sapling redirecting to it)", I also agree that, as you indicate and if approved by consensus, Sapling continue as a redirect to Tree#Overview. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Its true we prefer the singular if there are singular and plural entries but in this case apart from the generic meaning which is also plural all the uses are plural only. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale: Since Sapling redirects to Tree and not Trees and there is Tree (disambiguation), rather than Trees (disambiguation), it occurred to me that consensus might prefer the singular form. That said, each dab page adheres to factors appropriate to its circumstances and the proposed Sapling/Saplings dab would be of course much shorter than the lengthy Tree (disambiguation) and would indeed contain plural forms. Having written, "(if preferred by consensus, I would alternatively support a Saplings dab page with Sapling redirecting to it)", I also agree that, as you indicate and if approved by consensus, Sapling continue as a redirect to Tree#Overview. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Roman Spinner: Why do we need a DAB page at the singular? All the other uses are plural so the singular isn't ambiguous. For the same reason we probably wouldn't need to redirect the singular to a plural DAB as people searching in the singular aren't likely looking for any of the plural uses which don't appear to also use the singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- support per nom—blindlynx
- Support per nom. Redirect Saplings to Tree per Sapling. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nominator. If I were to type in this term, I'd expect it to be a {{r from plural}} to the same place where we cover baby trees (i.e. having the same target as sapling). I'd potentially also be OK with a dab so as to overcrowding the article hatnotes on tree, but that sort of thing is secondary to the conclusion that this article ought be moved. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- We could create a DAB page at Saplings (disambiguation) since as noted all the other uses are plural which would then mean we could just use 1 hatnote. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)