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Paella

Paella as typical from Santander? who wrote this?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.72.225 (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About the title

Time ago, people of Wikipedia in Spanish looked upon naming this article as "Santander (España)". They finally did so, because there're not other Spanish cities with the same name. Due to it, I think it would be a good idea to name the English article as "Santander, Spain".--81.44.174.192 (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking this when I came to read the article. I would support a move.--Cymru123 (talk) 15:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

English pronunciation

The English IPA currently reads English: /ˌsɑntɑnˈdɛər/. I almost always hear people in New England as English: /ˌsɑntænˈdɛər/. I have only heard the name pronounced in New England. Is English: /ˌsɑntænˈdɛər/ isolated to New England? Is there another Anglophone area that may follow the pronunciation in New England? mdkarazim (talk) 12:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's how the bank Santander is pronounced in the UK. It sounds a bit French really, but it's a common pronunciation. Interplanet Janet, Esquire IANAL

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 06:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC) I was asked to write a rationale for this, so here goes: in short, although the votes were split evenly, I found the arguments in support of the move far more compelling. To elaborate: IIO's concern about ambiguity was pretty well refuted, so the only oppose to hold much weight was Dohn joe's (essentially basing his vote on one of the five naming criteria, consistency). Worth noting that Zarcadia endorsed Dohn's view, but the rest of his comment ("We should avoid disambiguating with country" – just an opinion, no reasoning/policy behind it) was dismissed. The next two comments are obviously what clinches it – B2C shows that the proposed title meets more of the naming criteria and this in addition to the consistency argument being weaker than it would be in many RMs due to (a) there being a consensus to change it last time it was discussed, and (b) Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) not actually mention that Spain should be disambiguated by state. Jenks24 (talk) 11:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Santander, Cantabria → Santander, Spain – Surely Santander, Spain makes more sense than Santander, Cantabria. No other Santanders in Spain.Cymru123 (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2012 (UTC) placing of the requested move fixed. It should be at the bottom of the Talk page.[reply]

Oppose Sorry but Santander, Spain (although it redirects to Santander, Cantabria already) could mean Grupo Santander vs. Santander UK. Hence the existing title is less ambiguous. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - No person with a sense of reason could confuse the city with the banks. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 20:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't think confusion with the banks would be a major problem, but a hatnote would solve it ("This article is about the Cantabrian city. For the bank, see Santander Group."). --BDD (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. For large countries with well-known primary subdivisions, WP most often uses those subdivisions to disambiguate. There was a discussion about this awhile back in regards to Spain. Most participants were in favor of changing the convention, but it never got implemented. I still agree with the reasoning, however. Dohn joe (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as per User:Dohn_joe. We should avoid disambiguating with country. Zarcadia (talk) 12:58, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. If disambiguation is necessary (and it is in this case, given the Santander dab page), disambiguating with country meets the naming criteria better than disambiguating with subdivisions, as "Santander, Spain" is more recognizable than "Santander, Cantabria". Also, on Google Scholar, I get about 7x more results for "Santander, Spain" (22k) than for "Santander, Cantabria" (3k), strongly suggesting the former is more natural as well.
As to any potential confusion with the banks, this is already accounted for by the fact that Santander, Spain already redirects to this article, establishing the primacy of this topic for that title.
I suggest the opposing !votes that are based on inflating the significance of the potential ambiguity with the banks, and those based merely on disliking disambiguating with country, should be discounted accordingly when determining consensus here. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion cited by Dohn joe doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. In the meantime, we have the Naming conventions guideline. Its disambiguation section says cities should be disambiguated by country except in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, India, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Federated States of Micronesia, South Africa or the United States. I don't see Spain on that list. We can debate the usefulness of the incumbent guideline, but it's quite clear that the proposed name is an improvement. --BDD (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Andero

St. Andero is an old name for Santander, but this is not mentioned in the article. There is even a redirect in place from St. Andero. I did a quick search and found several sources that confirm this in passing as in "Sandander (old name St. Andero)" but nothing better. If anyone can find additional info the article should be updated with a citation to explain this alternate name.

Problem with info box photo description

The caption for the image in the info box seems to be incorrect, describing a different image. The image has 9 different photos, but the caption describes only 6 different photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.183.7 (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Serious omission

The current version of this article doesn't seem to explain the etymology/origin of the word "Santander." This is a serious omission, especially as anyone visiting this article might expect to find this information here. Please add this basic information, in order to help make this article more properly encyclopedic. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]