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Requested move (March 2011)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Cruz Province (Argentina) → Santa Cruz Province, Argentina — Per WP:NCDAB. When we disambiguate geographic places by their higher administrative division, we use "province, country", not "province (country)". --MBelgrano (talk) 00:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support In accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). This should not be controversial. --Bejnar (talk) 23:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Technical close, discussion moved to Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move Mike Cline (talk) 16:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Cruz Province (Argentina) → Santa Cruz Province, Argentina – The article was recently speedily renamed, despite the previous move requests. But, according to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Naming the specific topic articles and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation, the DAB in the title is used with a comma, not parentheses. There is no such convention of using parentheses for administrative divisions and commas for cities as mentioned in the move summary, in fact the second page is explicit that the comma is used for "the names of cities, towns, villages and other settlements, as well as administrative divisions", leaving the parentheses for natural features. Cambalachero (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- The version with a comma is much mroe satisfactory, as with the outcome of the previous RM. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Just so you know, on WP, the parenthetical disambiguation is used pretty much universally across all the countries of the world for first-level administrative subdivisions. So the guideline is contrary to practice in this instance. So I kind of oppose this change unless all the other countries' subdivisions are going to be implemented this way as well. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See WP:POINT. If you think that the current guidelines do not go according to the established usages, then propose to change the guidelines to reflect such usage. If it is so "universal", it shouldn't be hard. Otherwise, do not blame pages that, in the meantime, follow that is specifically written that way. By the way, if there was a successful move request before, then you can't simply move it back to the old name just because you think it's "right", you must consider it a controversial move and open a move request instead. I open this move request, rather than just reverting your move, just because of courtesy. Cambalachero (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - My "point" is that I think the guideline might at this stage be in need of amending, as you suggest. Right now the article is in line with all the other articles for first-level administration subdivisions, and there is no move to change them except for these ones. So no, I see no need to make an exception here from the de facto standard. I'm not clear on what you mean by "don't blame pages", as I'm not blaming anyone or anything, whether user or WP page. I think we just disagree on our approaches. I favour in-practice uniformity over following a guideline that is widely neglected or ignored. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Really a multiple move request, see Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move. Andrewa (talk) 07:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See subsequent discussion at that talk page. Andrewa (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 13:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]