Talk:Sans (Undertale)/GA2

GA Review

Passed. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last updated: 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC) by Boneless Pizza!

Status: Passed

100% reviewed

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Overall:

Comments from first read-through:

@Greenish Pickle!: I am starting this review. Please let me know if you have any questions during the review process!

@Greenish Pickle!: The article reads really great and is easy to understand, Here are some comments from my first read-through (I've been bold and corrected all other minor issues). If you'd like me to put the review on hold so you can work on them, please let me know. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to do some of the things I can do over the span of the next hour or so. Thank you. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 17:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoatLordServant Thanks for helping out! I'll be finishing off my review by Thursday. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. added GoatLordServant as a co-nom since I forgot hehe. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Sans the Skeleton is a character in the 2015 video game Undertale, developed by Toby Fox. Who is developed by Toby Fox, the game or the character? If it's both, then mention it. Done Removed mention of Toby Fox in the immediate sentence.

Sans appears in Deltarune, where he can only be found at his shop, which is a remodeled version of Grillby's Diner from the original game. A bit more context about Deltarune could be helpful here, like the release date. Done Added release date.

He was created by Fox with support from the artist Temmie Chang. This might be redundant; deleting mention of Toby Fox in the article's first sentence to keep that here, or simply move it out of the lead. Done Solved redundancy

He was originally created as a character to make more skeleton puns What puns? This brings questions right away, so you might want to say something like (...) was originally created as a humorous character or whatever you see fit. Given that this sentence is also repeated in the next section, it is necessary to rephrase it. Done Removed sentence. Could potentially be worked back in, come better phrasing, but I don't know how to fix that one.

His name is based on the Comic Sans font, which is used for most of his in-game dialogue and communicates with the sans typeface, which had to be changed to a "cutesy irreverent typeface" when translated into Japanese. Consider splitting that sentence. Done Split down the middle.

Concept and design

(...) he added the spotlight. What spotlight? Done

When translating Undertale into Japanese, however, this needed to be changed due to being difficult to translate. Unless I'm wrong, it might be better to say (...) due to it being (...) Done I think I implemented what you meant.

"Megalovania", the song used during the boss battle against Sans, had previously been used within Homestuck and in one of Fox's EarthBound ROM hacks. How is that linked to the paragraph? Consider moving it elsewhere. Done moved.

There is a full paragraph about the translations into Japanese. Though there seems to be great sources supporting this, it might (and this is my opinion here) be great to condense it a little bit, as it seems to get off-topic.

This master thesis was apparently cited multiple times in journal, so I would say this is a reliable to use. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome then! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure where is the part that needs to be condensed (btw I'm not native in English). But, anyway all of your concern seems to be addressed =). GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Greenish Pickle!, It's OK, you explained what was going on with that paragraph. I'm not native in english either ;-) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances

(...) appearance in the "Last Corridor" Is that an episode of Undertale? This could be clarified. Done Clarified meaning

Promotion and reception

Sans received multiple pieces of merchandise. You could say that he was shown on multiple pieces of merchandise instead. Done Implemented

During the Undertale Q&A (...). Does an article exist for it? If not, a little more context, like a date, could be helpful. Done added a date.

On a Quora topic, someone commented, “Sans and Papyrus are so darn perfect with each other. Sans, being the depressed and punny lazy skeleton and Papyrus, being the cheerful and loving brother… They complement each other so perfectly.” Quora is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated. Done removed. has no place here.

Other GA requirements:

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: The article excellently complies with all manual of style requirements. No issues found there.

Running Copyvio Detector, ReFill and IABot, no blatant issues found with the citations. Conducting a sources spot-check for verifiability, no issues found either.

The article does not go off-topic and addresses the main aspects of the article effectively.

The article is written from a neutral POV, and has an appropriate reception section for critics.

Checking the article's history, article is quite stable, no major changes besides GAR improvements.

Finally, appropriate media is used, all using relevant copyright tags.

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: This concludes my review.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User:Cocobb8 Many thanks for the review. Really appreciate it! GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]