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Name

"Sanjak of Syrmia" -Llc (all language) - 0
"Sanjak of Srijem" -Llc 2
"Sanjak of Srem" -Llc 2
"Sanjak of Sirem" -Llc 2

Takabeg (talk) 13:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, do you proposing that name of this article is changed or what? Name "Syrmia" was agreed by several users long time ago as best possible name for this region in English language and therefore articles related to this region are using this name. PANONIAN 16:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, when we find common name, we must change it. Do you konw Wikipedia:No original research ? Takabeg (talk) 02:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am not sure if a couple of Srem versions can be considered as "established usage" in sources on English language the way it is explained in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). In that case maybe we should leave the existing name of the article because it looks like proper translation of local name to English language.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Takabeg, you should probably read this discussion where name "Syrmia" was agreed as best possible name for this region in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Syrmia#Name All Syrmia-related articles are made in accordance with that agreement. PANONIAN 17:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjak of Syrmia → Sanjak of Sirem – per WP:COMMONNAME & Wikipedia:No original research

At first, Syrmia is acceptable. But Sanjak of Syrmia is sourceless original naming ("Sanjak of Syrmia" -Llc (all language) - 0).

"Sanjak of Srijem" -Llc 2, both are written in English, one of them was printed in Croatia and other was printed in Bosnia.
"Sandjak of Srijem" -Llc 1 (Branislav Djurdjev, "The kanun-name of the Sandjak of Srijem of 1588/89")
"Sandzak of Srijem" -Llc 1
"Sanjak of Srem" -Llc 2
"Sandjak of Srem" -Llc 0
"Sanjak of Sirem" -Llc 2
"Sandjak of Sirem" -Llc 1

As long as I know, "Common names" were not established. In this situation, I prefer Sanjak of Sirem because it is closest to the original name. Takabeg (talk) 04:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There is hardly any prevalence in sources. - Darwinek (talk) 07:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that we must avoid original research as possible as we can. If you insist on using original sesearch by any means, we must add the note: "This title is one of the original titles created by Wikipedians" for readers. Takabeg (talk) 09:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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