Talk:Sandy Nava

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Nava's birth date

I know Sandy Nava is listed as being born Apr 1850 at retrosheet and baseball-reference, but would Apr 1851 be more correct? The U. S. Census isn't always very accurate, but that was what he told the census taker in 1900 and (apparently) he was listed as 55 years old on his death certificate. The article on Sandy at providencegrays.org mentions a death certificate. Does anybody have any thoughts one way or another on this? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 23:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the specific date of April 12, 1850 is probably accurate. Retrosheet got it from somewhere, and I am assuming since they have death date and place of burial, that they may have gotten the information from a death cert. So, I don't really have an answer for you, Retrosheet has been shown to be pretty accurate, and baseball-reference more often than not, uses Retrosheet as their source for birth and death information. Generally speaking, I have found census information to be not very reliable, just with doing my family history, people's ages and place of birth seem to change every 10 years.Neonblak ^talk - 05:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on the unreliability of census info. I was unable to locate anybody who resembled Sandy Nava in any U. S. census other than 1900.

The subjects of Sandy Nava's "real" name, parentage and birthdate were discussed intermittently on SABR-L during 1999, without coming to any conclusions. The speculation included the possibility that he was an illegitimate child of a local woman and a Yankee gold-miner or sailor, that he may or may not have been baptised at Mission Dolores, that any baptismal record may have been lost in the 1906 earthquake anyway, and that Nava himself may not have known when he was born. Since Nava didn't have a wife or children, who would have been able to supply correct information for his death certificate?

Although these questions fascinate me, I'm not in a position to research them. That's for somebody with access to old San Francisco records to pursue. Or maybe Sandy was interviewed by some enterprising Providence reporter when he arrived in the major leagues? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 16:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just getting back to looking at Nava's story. I saw that Mario Longoria's link and also the one to a Providence Grays site have been flagged as "dead". A search of SABR's Biography Project turned up an interesting article on Nava by Brian McKenna. I don't know how accurate his information is, but it deserves some careful study. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 15:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the same thing about the links, but didn't know about the SABR article. However, I got other project I am working on, so I will leave the update/upgrade to someone else.Neonblak ^talk - 15:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a link with an 1860 California census reference. http://baseballhistoryblog.com/category/latin-baseball-history/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.171.178 (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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