Talk:Sandringham time

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—Yamara ✉ 17:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prerau says Sandringham Time was in summer, not winter

David Prerau (2005). Seize the Daylight: The Curious and Contentious Story of Daylight Saving Time. Thunder’s Mouth Press. ISBN 1-56025-655-9. Page 12 says that for several years (before 1908) Edward VII "had been creating his own small sphere of daylight saving time: at his palace at Sandringham, and in later years at Windsor and Balmoral castles, by having all the clocks advanced thirty minutes during the summer months." This contradicts Wikipedia, which claims clocks were advanced for winter hunting. I find Prerau to be more plausible, as DST doesn't make that much sense in winter. Eubulides 05:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think winter actually makes more sense, given the fact that the Royal family predominantly use Sandringham House during the winter months, which is also the time of most of the hunting seasons. George V's death was complicated by the use of Sandringham time, and he certainly died in the winter months. Rje 14:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The comments of Rje seem more plausible because (1) the Royal Family is at Sandringham during the Winter, and (2) many people become depressed at the smaller amount of daylight during the Winter, and Edward VII obviously decided to "do something" about it by advancing the clocks by 30 minutes, which would have the effect of giving more daylight. If Sandringham Time involved turning the clock ahead, then it could not have been started to deal with Queen Alexandra's tardiness, because turning the clock ahead would only make her lateness worse. I have read that the real reason for Alexandra's lateness is that it was a passive-aggressive way of dealing with her husband's known infidelities. John Paul Parks (talk) 15:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure that it would necessarily make her lateness worse. Assuming that one does not draw the distinction between Sandringham Time and GMT - i.e. one assumes that all the clocks in Sandringham are set for GMT, even though they are not - I believe that one could be half an hour "late" according to the clocks and still arrive on time given that the rest of the country would be using GMT. I do not think that the clocks were used for that purpose, but I am worried that the new sentence in the article about lateness might be a little unclear. Rje (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is written "If a person was constantly late, Sandringham time would only have made that person later.". But assume that a person often is late for events taking place outside Sandringham, or events at Sandringham, announced using GMT, then it would help having all internal clocks put forward 30 minutes. For example if there is an event at 11 AM GMT (the queen is told it is at 11 AM) and the queen arrives at 11.30 AM Sandringham time, then it is actally 11 AM GMT, in time. --BIL (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, with the above two comments - relative to just the Sandringham clocks, it's not going to make any difference whether they're set to GMT or ST to how late you are. Relative to the rest of the country, people in Sandringham would be half an hour early (effectively 'going back in time' by half an hour when they left the estate). So if the tardy person is on the estate, this would make them as late as normal on the estate but early if they went off it. It would only make that person later if they were coming from off the estate to something on it. I suggest that that sentence ("If a person was constantly late, Sandringham time would only have made that person later") is removed, as it's wrong. --82.70.156.254 (talk) 01:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion?

'However, due to the confusions that the time difference caused, which were heightened during George's final hours, Edward VIII abolished the tradition'

I'm interested to hear how this time zone heightened the confusion during his final hours. According to his article, he seems to have spent the last five days of his life confined to his bed, drifting in and out of consciousness. His actual death was by lethal injection. I'm confused as to where Sandringham Time is connected - when I read the above I expected to find something about help coming half an hour too late, or something! --82.70.156.254 (talk) 01:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The incident was portrayed in the 2002 film Bertie and Elizabeth.

At the king’ s deathbed the doctor announced the time of death as “12.25 … Sandringham time”; so I’d have thought the possibilities for confusion there were obvious. What time did they put on the death certificate? Did it specify what time zone was being used? That would create four possibilities, only one of which (I would have thought) would carry any legal weight.

And as he died at night, 12.25am on 21 January (ST) would have been 11.55pm on 20 January (GMT); so, what date? More room for confusion... Swanny18 (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS That also answers the question above; if ST was running in January, it’d be a winter, not a summer thing.Swanny18 (talk) 15:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+ 30 minutes

"Contrary to rumour, it was not begun to assist Queen Alexandra, who was constantly late,^[1] but to "create" more evening daylight for hunting in the winter. If a person was constantly late, Sandringham time would only have made that person later."

The last part is plainly false. +30 means that on the clock it is 30 minutes later. That means that if you arrive in another time zone, you are half an hour early. 83.86.4.72 (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Vickers, Hugo, Elizabeth: The Queen Mother (Arrow Books/Random House, 2006) p.129

When established

The article states that the practice of ST was established in 1901. Given that Queen Victoria objected to it, I think it must have been earlier than that. KJP1 (talk) 11:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unique

Sandringham Time must be the only time created to pull animals apart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 08:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am assuming that foxes were pulled apart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 08:51, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Charles praised fox-hunting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 08:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He said it was "romantic". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 09:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles was nearly shot by a Korean called Kang in Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 09:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grouse are shot by the Royal family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.147.142.33 (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Vickers, Hugo, Elizabeth: The Queen Mother (Arrow Books/Random House, 2006) p.129

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