Talk:Murder of Sandra Cantu

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Why the revert?

? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She was wearing a pink Hello Kitty t-shirt and black leggings that match a description of clothes worn the day she went missing.[ It's what is written on flyers

Deletion?

Why does this article have a deletion tag? Is a highly relevant and notable murder case. I am removing such a tag. Any opinions please add them to this discussion page. Thanks.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because its nominated for deletion. Read the tag and follow the instructions and you can share your thoughts on why it should or should not be deleted.--RadioFan (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why this article would be deleted --Morpheus2485 (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree that it should not be deleted. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandra Cantu for a discussion on this matter. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

the discussion is closed it stays where it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana's Defender (talk • contribs) 01:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motivation

The motivation for the murder is still not known. Possibly the victim knew of some criminal conduct by the alleged perp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.159.99 (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She probably didn't want her to play with her daughter. Parents find it impossible to control who their children become friends with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.196.30 (talk) 01:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Revert the Murder Categories

I have reverted to include this article in to include the two categories Murdered American children and People murdered in California. Whether Huckaby is convicted, the police have deemed this a "murder." In addition, other cases which there is no conviction yet are deemed murders (see Caylee Anthony homicide, JonBenét Ramsey, The Notorious B.I.G., David Bacon (actor)). In addition, other individuals who have been killed and the person convicted for a homicide other than murder (such as "voluntary manslaughter"), that person is still listed as a "murder" (See Harvey Milk as an example.) As such, I believe it’s proper to keep these categories linked to this article. Jvsett (talk) 19:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Police can consider anything they want to be a "murder". But, that is nothing more than an allegation on their part. No more, no less. Their conclusions and their "say so" do not carry any real weight (beyond asserting an allegation). Their claim is certainly not dispositive of the issue. This case is a homicide unless and until a murder is (somehow) established. You will also note that this article is entitled "homicide" as is the Caylee Anthony article. There is a reason that these articles are not entitled "murders". I reverted. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Sodomized?

Listen, this article says new information has come to light suggesting that Sandra was sodomized. The source it gives for this information, a CNN article, nowhere does it say that Sandra was "sodomized" (meaning anal penetration). I am deleting that reference. 17:45, 22 April 2009

Indeed; perhaps all editing this page could now be patient and encyclopedic (as frustrating as that may be) and make sure that this page accurately reflects (with sources) that which is truly known, not just alleged, about this horrible tragedy (recognizing that even "homicide" is at this point "obvious," but at this point unproven or uncited). Neither Sandra's family nor the accused or her family should want or deserve any characterization here that is not reliable or sourced (the vague allegations of the filed complaint are boilerplate and should be cited only with caution, recognizing that there are few specific facts inserted in the form.) Steveozone (talk) 09:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Melissa Huckaby section

Is there really any need for this section, which merely repeats information already given earlier in the article? Steveozone (talk) 03:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have now restored the Melissa Huckaby section about her, as she will be sentenced on June 14.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 20:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

do not put this section back in —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmericaIsNumberOne (talk • contribs) 01:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored it. Stop removing it until there's a consensus to do so. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Ramblign man you cant just remove a section just because you personally might not find it to be great.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe her own section is needed. Its very usual here on wikipedia, and helps in making individual history on Melissa and her current status, even though the overlal article is about the crime itself. I say keep the section,.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the separate section on Melissa Huckaby should be removed. It makes the article read oddly, because it repeats information already present above it; it looks like a separate article pasted below the main article (and it even bolds the subject like a regular article does). Merge this information into the article, and perhaps dedicate a paragraph to her background, but there's no need to make this some sort of double-feature article. - Brian Kendig (talk) 19:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the sentences which were repeated, so I believe the problem's not as bad, now. - Brian Kendig (talk) 18:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article can be expanded now based on the 1000 page documents released

It appears KXTV News 10 in Sacramento has 6 PDFs of documents coming from the court house but it is unclear if these are original documents straight from the courthouse or altered for graphic content.

If anyone can find an original untouched version of this, it would help to expand the article even more. (Im sure its a tedious task but theres something we can find in there thats truthful and resourceful.)JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 07:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate is 23rd, not the 18th

please do not change, some minor googling will show her birthdate to be the 23rd. i don't know how to insert a reference, i'm new to wikipedia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gummy Dummy (talk • contribs) 03:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category removals

Hello, I've removed the "births" and "deaths" categories as they belong on biographies, not homicide articles. I've also removed the child sex abuse and rape categories as Huckaby was technically not found guilty of those, and per BLP, shouldn't be categorised as such. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Attention seeking?

The article claims that "Huckaby was interviewed on multiple occasions, but her behavior was assumed to be attention-seeking". What behavior, exactly?Royalcourtier (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Texting the girl's mother with a "tip" and approaching the police with a "note from a witness". In high profile crimes, people with a need for attention will commonly try to become part of events with which they otherwise have no connection by "helping" the investigators, but the leads provided by such people are usually fabrications that result in dead ends. 67.8.203.16 (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note

There is a reference to Huckaby reporting to have found a note. But no reference to any investigation, or whether such a note was actually handed to the police. If the police followed this up, that should be noted. If they did not, that should also be commented on.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Usual suspects

Why were men being interviewed, and clearly regarded as potential suspects, yet this woman - who had drugged a young girl only weeks before - was not considered as a suspect? It seems gender bias and profiling had overridden common sense and actual evidence. What there any investigation into this apparently biased investigation process?Royalcourtier (talk) 02:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]