Talk:Samuel Butler (poet)

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it entirely fails to do justice to their virtues and their services to liberty, civil and religious.

Is this not an expression of a point of view? Rintrah 15:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth

The DOB of December 4 is the same as that of the other Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902). Coincidence, or confusion? According to Britannica, the baptismal date of Butler was February 8, 1612. - InvisibleSun 23:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This favours a 1612 birth year and christening date of 14 February 1612, but has a footnote acknowledging Longueville, who claims Butler was born in 1600 (!), and Nash, who dates the christening at 8 February 1612.

This also gives a 14 February 1612 christening date but no specific birth date other than 1612.

Here’s a baptism date of 13 February 1612.

The 1902 Britannica gives the 8 February 1612 baptism date.

It seems the earlier sources were unsure even of when he was baptised, and were not prepared to state a birth date at all. How do we come up with such certainty when we assert boldly he was born 8 February 1612? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 04:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Butler's poem Dildoides

If blog sites are not appropriate for posting links, then how can I make this poem available for readers interested in Butler? It's public domain, and the only other version of this poem that I have seen online is incomplete. Is there a way to put the entire poem on a Wikipedia page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightlightsleep (talk • contribs) 15:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-Paste

Much of this article seems to have been copied from a book by John Cousin^[1]. Despite the fact that this book is not protected under copyright, It is still imperative that we do not Copy and Paste. A simple citation is not enough to fix this problem. The article will need major rewrites to fit Style guidelines.Cliff (talk) 19:20, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ Cousin, John W. (1910). A Short Biographical Dictionary of English Literature.

We're allowed (but definitely not encouraged!) to copy and paste from public domain sources (e.g. the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica). I do agree that the article could use a major update, however. Graham87 00:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The links to the "Samuel Butler" pages on Wikisource were messed up ... I'm in the process of fixing them now. Graham87 01:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per Graham, we do a lot of copy-paste from public domain sources such as EB1911 and the Dictionary of National Biography. There's no copyright issue. We meet the plagiarism issue with a form of words - such as this article has - in the references saying "This article incorporates public domain text from ...". And yes, all such copy pasted articles would be better if they were (well) rerwritten, but that is not an argument against copy-paste, but merely for more effort to be spent per article. --22:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagishsimon (talk • contribs)

[Cousin-1] Cousin, John W. (1910). A Short Biographical Dictionary of English Literature.

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