Talk:Sames I

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Sames or Samos

I am not clear about the name of the article: The only source presented inside the article clearly mentions Samos:

Michael Blömer 2009: "The city was renamed Samosata by a predecessor of the Commagenian royal fam- ily, the Armenian king Samos I, in the 3th century BCE"

Furthermore, I tried to locate either name in bibliography:

Greek Coins and Their Values, Volume 2, David R. Sear, Seaby, 1978, p. 533: "Kingdom of Comaggene... Samos c. 140-130 B.C. (possibly founder of Samosata on the Euphrates, capital of Commagene. ... ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΣΑΜΟΥ ... ΘΕΟΣΕΒΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΥ" [1] My notes: ΣΑΜΟΥ in latin characters is SAMOU (in declesion, meaning "OF SAMOS") (in principle it could also be "OF SAMES" - no way to distinguish) (this could be Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, clearly mentioned in the article as Sames or Samos II Theosebes Dikaios
Such numismatic evidence is usually referring to Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, see coins here and here, were both refer to Sames (but I wonder - do their opinions they carry the same weight as those of historians)
Greek translation of Theodore Reinach's The Comaggene Dynasty: here, uses the version Σάμος (Samos)
Nemrud Dağı, Theresa Goell, ‎Donald Hugo Sanders, 1996, Page 367 "Puchstein's epigraphic interpretation was not unambiguous; the name of the father could be read or restored to Samos (Sames) or Arsames. Puchstein had decided to read Samos; Honigmann (1963: 981) decided likewise to read Samos; Reinach and" ... "Samos was the "founder" of Samosata in the same way that his son Arsames was "founder" of Arsameia " [2] (also in page368 "Chronologically, this king Samos belongs to the first half of the first century B.C.E.")

I would also like to mention that there is no mention of "Σαμωσ", which is clearly a mistake (ω is out of place - no such evidence or grammar interpretation and σ at the end of the word becomes always ς, no accent).

Based oh the above:

I will change the clearly mistaken "Σαμωσ" to "Σάμος" (this has been copied to several wikipedias in other languages)
I will modify the text to make clear mention in the beginning "Samos or Sames", similarly to the case of Sames II Theosebes Dikaios, as supported by bibliography,
I am proposing to move the article to the name Samos of Commagene, keeping the text as above, mentioning both names
I cannot find any reference to everything much of the text of the article. I will therefore place {{Citation needed}} in these sections, which appear to me to be on a very weak basis (t put it mildly)
The opinion of people who have contributed to the article is valuable, but really only User:Eupator has actually contributed logged in, the majority of the rest of the information comes from an ip see here. So, User:Eupator, you are welcome to help.

--FocalPoint (talk) 08:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]