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Upper Canada College

His entry in the dictionary of Canadian Biography makes no mention of him attending UCC. Also it seems a bit of a posh place for someone of his family background to have gone to school. Does anyone have any references or thoughts on this? Cjrother 00:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken this out of the article. Cjrother 19:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems POV

I've tweaked a few wordings, but was he really that bad? Rich Farmbrough 21:53 22 August 2006 (GMT).

Without having read the article thoroughly, I have to say that anything I've ever read about him anywhere else is pretty universal in saying he was a colossal jerk. --Saforrest 16:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I inserted a request for references on a Section where I could not find any source for the racist assertions made. I removed this dead link that was to a personal website from which some of this stuff may have come: Hughes' Complication of the World War One Mobilization at CdnMilitary.ca J Martin81 00:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dismission

the article says "dismissed from his cabinet post". Why was he dismissed? Jackzhp 19:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who actually read the article would get the general impression that the man was a corrupt, self-serving fool. Cranston Lamont 21:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i mean in the summary section, the wording can be put in a better way to deliver the information more clearly. rather than request reader to dig up the shit. Jackzhp 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

worst Canadian

The article says "In 2007, as part of their Worst Canadian poll, a panel of experts commissioned by Canada's National History Society named Hughes as one of the Worst Canadians in its August issue of The Beaver." Just to clarify: an individual member of the panel chose Hughes as the worst Canadian and the panel wasn't "commissioned" by the NHS. The editor of the Beaver asked us as individuals to participate in a little lark.

"Borden get rid of Hughes" - in what way?

It would make more accurate reading to specify in what way the Duke of Connaught was suggesting Prime Minister Borden "get rid of Hughes" (dismissal from ministry, or from militia service?). If it is a quotation from a record it should be cited, preferably with indication of date - how early in Hughes' ministry career was this raised? Some readers may come from countries where in Hughes' day or even since, "get rid" in politics equalled banishment, imprisonment or execution.Special:Contributions/Cloptonson (talk) 13:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to recall that Tim Cook's The Madman And The Butcher makes some sort of mention. I'll see if I can pull something out of it.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Educated at Catholic School?

I (albeit non-Canadian) am so familiar with Hughes' Protestant family origins (Ulster Protestant and Huguenot, according to his Who's Who entry) and his strong political anti-Catholic bias (illustrated in his Dictionary of Canadian Biography sketch) that I have raised a citation need against the surprising statement that he attended the "Blessed Trinity Catholic Secondary School" in Grimsby, Ontario. (In section "Early Life".) Neither Hughes nor the School's name are mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Grimsby.Cloptonson (talk) 19:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As it's been over 4 years since you raised this, I have been bold and removed the assertion. DuncanHill (talk) 00:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Length, readability

Having read this article after at least a year away from last editing it, I concur with the header notice about its present length. Ideas for condensation which I have employed are:

more use of abbreviations of eg CEF for Canadian Expeditionary Force.
deleting sfn citations referring to same page of a cited book that have been consecutively repeated within a paragraph, letting the last-occurring sfn speak for the whole paragraph where citations of other works have not occurred.
'hereinafter' references, eg to Victoria County, within a paragraph as eg 'the County'.
some breaking up of large paragraphs into smaller ones and sentence amalgamations.

Cloptonson (talk) 11:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RE: 207th Bn CEF details - remove?

I propose the removal of the two sentence reference and picture to the presentation of colours 207th Bn CEF as it is isolated in the overall narrative of Hughes Great War career. It cannot have been the only unit Hughes presented colours to (or was it?)Cloptonson (talk) 08:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have discovered from the Wikipedia article on the unit (which also carried the photo) that the presentation was Hughes' last public act as Defence Minister. I therefore think there is merit in condensing the reference and moving it to the point where this page deals with his removal but for one issue - the stated date 18 November 1916, actually 9 days after he was dismissed as Minister.Cloptonson (talk) 08:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]