Talk:Salomon August Andrée

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A fact from Salomon August Andrée appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Swedish adventurer Saloman Andrée died in 1897 while trying to reach the geographic North Pole by hot-air balloon?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/April.

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The notion that he was mainly known under his initials during his lifetime comes from the article S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897. // Habj 19:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you don't mean "notion". It's a dismissive word. Bishonen | talk 20:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Notion: "Föreställning, begrepp, uppfattning, åsikt, aning, idé, infall". Uppfattning: "apprehension, perception, understanding, conception, idea, interpretation, opinion, conception, idea" etc. It seems it can be dismissive, but not necessarily in all circumstances? I have now asked an American, who said in a context like "the notion what X was a sailor comes from the book Y" xe found the word neutral. Maybe British English is different on this point, I have no clue.

No it is not meant to be dismissive, and I will be careful with that word in the future knowing it can be seen as implying something negative. What I meant is to add a statement of source to the record which I can not adeqately fit in the article, since I have no original source for it - it is mentioned in a note in the article on the expedition, but without explicit source. All the rest of what I have added are from the two sources I have given. Why don't you add the source on this one *hint hint* since it should be obvious that I can not? // Habj 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it's Lundström, but I can't seem to find it right now. I will keep looking. Bishonen | talk 12:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The border between this article and the article on the expedition

I suppose this article should contain some short info on the expedition, but not too much since the expedition has its own article. If the current version is an adequate way of drawing the line I do really not know. // Habj 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The balance looks fine to me. Bishonen | talk 12:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

1904

In 1904, he was declared legally dead; is that worth mentioning here? DS (talk) 23:09, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 May 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move the article has been established within the RM time period and thus defaulting to not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Music1201 ^talk 02:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Salomon August Andrée → S. A. Andrée – His WP:COMMONNAME is his initials. – -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC) -- Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC) — second relist by user:SSTflyer at 02:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But a formal listing such as an article heading is likely for it to be more suitable to use his full name. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose S. A. Andrée redirects, and where full names are attested in books (here they are) we do tend to use them. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Something's going to have to change, either Andrée's article or S. A. Andrée's Arctic Balloon Expedition of 1897. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the use of an abbreviation rather than the full name. Board Wesger (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Support per nominator. Contra In ictu oculi, WP:INITS says Generally, use the most common format of a name used in reliable sources: if that is with a middle name or initials, make the Wikipedia article title conform to that format. Examples ... J. P. Morgan. I see about 3x as many GBooks hits for "S. A. Andrée" without expansion (i.e. -"Salomon August Andrée") as for "Salomon August Andrée", which I think falls rather short of the "nearly as often as they use initials" exception to WP:INITS. Also, where his name is mentioned in the titles of books (see e.g. Worldcat), it is uniformly as S. A. Andrée. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]