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Reviewer: Rjjiii (talk · contribs) 04:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


It may be a few days before I begin a proper review. Let me know if there's anything in particular you'd like an extra pair of eyes on. Rjjiii (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. Well-written

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  • The amount of quoted material disrupts reading for me. The already large quote blocks are doubled in size because they contain the original Russian. The article could provide the views of Nikolai Paderin without directly quoting him, or at least not to that extent.
  • There are several things in the lead that are cryptic without reading the article, following links, or both. Questions that I had included:
    • How is it lost?
    • Who are the Harbin Russians?
    • Why was it destroyed by the Red Guards?
  • Some of the language is complicated to the point that it becomes difficult to follow. A few examples:
    • Priest Alexander Zhuravsky founded the first Orthodox church when he arrived at the site of construction in February 1898, which was located first in an abandoned fanza, and with the onset of cold weather in a specially built barracks.
    • The solemn laying of the church took place on October 1, 1899 on the feast of the Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    • With the lifting of the siege, the construction of the Novogorodnoye temple was resumed, for which utensils, iconostasis and iconostasis icons were sent from Russia.
  • There are some bits of writing that I can't glean any clear information from:
    • Harbin engineer Alexei Levteev observed the exact observance of the project on the site.
    • Selected wood was used for the quality of construction work.

Rjjiii (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2. Verifiable with no original research

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2a Yes, references are in a proper section.

Coming back later to do spot checks, Rjjiii (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spot checks:

Source review is for this version of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Nicholas_Cathedral,_Harbin&oldid=1174498601 I'm using machine translation for the Russian sources as I don't speak the language.


2b

This needs a source:

  • "In 1941, the Monument to the fighters against the Comintern was erected on Cathedral Square, in the immediate vicinity of the cathedral."


2c

None that I saw.

2d

Copyright violations noted above. I don't have access to the book source, but I'm curious as to how close the Wikipedia article is to a translation there, mainly because when checking the sources I noticed that the NPOV issues I saw were all sections cited to the book. Is the book so non-neutral that it's not a reliable source? Or is the article just hedging too close to the book's wording? Rjjiii (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3. Broad in its coverage

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4. Neutral

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There are subjective statements in the article like:  Done

  • marvelous outlines
  • The solemn laying

Also, the heavy usage of quotes gives a lot of weight to those voices. From WP:NPOV:

  • "The tone of Wikipedia articles should be impartial, neither endorsing nor rejecting a particular point of view. Try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial, formal tone."
  • "[...] quotes, criticisms, or news reports related to one subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic."

5. Stable

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Yes, it's stable. Rjjiii (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

6. Illustrated

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Overall

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Stopping the review after I found potential copyright violations in the spot checks. I cannot pass this GA review due mainly to:

  • Issues with the prose including obtuse wording and an overuse of quoted material.
  • Potential copyright issues.
  • A lack of impartial tone.

Good luck in the future, Rjjiii (talk) 03:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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