Talk:Saint Kitts and Nevis at the 2020 Summer Olympics

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Date	Process	Result
July 10, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
August 8, 2023	Good topic candidate	Promoted

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Saint Kitts and Nevis at the 2020 Summer Olympics/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Stevie fae Scotland (talk · contribs) 14:38, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Initial thoughts are, in general, well written. A couple of queries though: The article refers to the 2020 Tokyo Olympics as "the Games", should that be with a lower case g? (I'm not overly familiar with editing Olympics articles but I don't think that is right grammatically) ~~the Games have been postponed – Should be past tense as it has already happened.~~ The committee gained recognition by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in 1993 at a session of the IOC in Monte Carlo, Monaco. – I would say "was recognised" rather than "gained recognition by". ~~As the article discusses a delegation of athletes, ie- a group of people, it would be better grammatically to use "they" and "their" rather than "its".~~ Athletes from Saint Kitts and Nevis achieved the entry standards, either by qualifying time or by world ranking, in the following track and field events (up to a maximum of 3 athletes in each event): – So, this makes sense on it's own but the words after it don't logically follow on from it. I would suggest breaking it into a paragraph of its own, something like "Athletes from Saint Kitts and Nevis achieved the entry standards for the games either by their qualifying time or by their world ranking. Up to a maximum of three athletes could compete in each track and field event." ~~Link Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee at first mention outwith infobox.~~ ~~The medals in the event was achieved by athletes from Jamaica – Keep it simple and just say the medals "were won by", achieved doesn't fit quite right.~~ Passed following updates.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Further to above: The lead needs reworked. I don't think you need to mention Covid unless it had an impact on which athletes competed. I would move mentions of Covid to the background section and give a short background to how Covid impacted the games, using an appropriate {{See also}}. ~~As St Kitts and Nevis only sent two athletes, you could summaries the events they competed in and their results (I wouldn't recommend this for a country with a larger delegation).~~ As of these Olympics, Saint Kitts and Nevis had not won an Olympic medal. – "As of" phrases can become outdated. This one is a bit different but I think it would still be better to avoid it and rephrase. Perhaps something like: "Prior to the 2020 Olympics, Saint Kitts and Nevis had not won an Olympic medal." Passed following updates.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Checked sources 3, 4, 7, 8, 11 and 13. All but 7 were perfect. I don't see the need for 7 when 8 is there, 7 points to a list of athletes and doesn't actually source the entry specs so I would remove it. The results table itself is unsourced but all of the information within it is sourced in the prose. Might be worth adding sources 12 and 13 to the table. Passed following updates.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	See above.
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Checked via Earwig's Copyvio Detector
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Not quite, I feel there is scope for a little expansion which could add helpful details. Background section could be expanded a little. I've already mentioned Covid but I think it would be helpful to provide a brief summary of their previous results. If it was me writing it, I would break the background section up into three subsections: one for the Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee, one for Previous results and one for the Impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. Don't go into two much detail but give more of an idea of what the background is. Aftermath – Consider if there is anything worth mentioning about post-Olympic events for either the athletes or the NOC. This may be irrelevant at the moment and may not be a useful addition for a few years depending on what happens at future Olympics so this is only a suggestion and not something necessary to pass as a GA. May be worth explaining why there were no flag barers for the closing ceremony in this section. Passed following updates and discussion below.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	See above.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	My only suggestion would be a potential photograph of either or both of the athletes. Again, not necessary but could potentially be included.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

I've added some initial thoughts, will continue the review later tonight or tomorrow. Ping me if you have any questions and I'll get back to you as soon as. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's me finished the review. I'm happy to place on hold for now as this is close to being a GA. Once the points I've outlined above have been actioned, it'll be good to go.

PS- Great work on the article so far. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the review.

1a: Regarding whether lowercase 'g' should be used. From what I've seen the majority of articles like this use capital 'G'. Even the main Summer Olympic Games article uses the capital 'G'.

1b: I feel like Covid should be mentioned here since it had a huge effect on the whole competition. If we don't include it the lead will read something like "XXXX competed at the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Originally scheduled to take place from 24 July to 9 August 2020, the event was postponed to 23 July to 8 August 2021" or "XXXX competed at the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo which took place in 2021". Some readers may get confused as to why the '2020' Olympics were held in 2021 so the reason should be mentioned. Maybe instead of linking it to COVID-19 pandemic, we can link it to Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports

3a: There is not much to write about the aftermath. Maybe when the 2024 Olympics takes place, we can mention whether the athletes that competed in the 2020 Olympics also participated in the 2024.

-- EN-Jungwon 13:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stevie fae Scotland pinging. -- EN-Jungwon 01:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, my apologies, I've been away the past couple of days so I've not been able to fully respond to you until now. I kinda thought that with the g and the aftermath so that's grand. My thinking with Covid is that when I read this page, I want to find out about SKN at the 2020 Olympics so it's a little odd that the second sentence isn't about that, it juts off into a related subject but not the primary focus of the article. However, I understand what you are saying and when I read the changes you've made to the lead already, I agree that that is the most appropriate place for it.

Just noticed there's a misspelled "meter" as well but I'll tweak that and pass the article. Thanks for making the changes and all your work on it. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]