Talk:Saint Judicael

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.

Saints Low‑importance

	Saints portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Saints, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Saints and other individuals commemorated in Christian liturgical calendars on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SaintsWikipedia:WikiProject SaintsTemplate:WikiProject SaintsSaints articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

France

	France portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Celts Low‑importance

	Saint Judicael is within the scope of WikiProject Celts, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the ancient Celts and the modern day Celtic nations. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article or you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks or take part in the discussion. Please Join, Create, and Assess.CeltsWikipedia:WikiProject CeltsTemplate:WikiProject CeltsCelts articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Middle Ages Low‑importance

	Middle Ages portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Move discussion

Judicael ap Hoel is not the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME of this figure. Moreover, he was a medieval Breton, not a modern Welshman, and there is no sensible reason to use the modern Welsh form of his name as a dab from the other Judicaels. It should be moved and any return to its former inaccurate name should detail some rationale for that move. See also WP:POINT.

If‎ Srnec has some preference for a different and more sensible dab (Judicael (saint), Judicael of Brittany, &c.), that's fine, but kindly mention why it's an improvement. — $Llywelyn II$ 04:59, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

None of the older breton rulers were "modern Welshmen" ! That they may have root in Wales is a fortuitous thing and that Early Breton culture was largely both Cornish and/or Welsh is also fortuitous but should not impact this work. By the time of Judicael the idea that a breton ruler would still hold power in Great Britain had nearly disappeared and the inverse is true, Welsh and Cornish rulers were no longer holding, as a matter of course, power on both sides of the Channel. Moreover, that he is a "Saint" is as much a cultural phenomenon in the Celtic nations as it is a "true fact" with regards to an established religion (the modern Roman Catholic church acknowledges that there are many more celtic saints named in places throughout Brittany, Cornwall, Devonshire, and Wales, than listed in their "Lists of Saints". SO I would prefer no reference to Saint in the title of the moved article and rather an better description of his sainthood in the body of the article. And that would bring it into line with the other articles on early Breton rulers who are also, here and there, "saints." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.65.176 (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]