Talk:Saad Hussain Rizvi

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Date of birth wrong

The claimed date of birth from this news article is actually that of his father Khadim Hussain Rizvi, not this person. FDW777 (talk) 22:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FDW777: Good catch. Based on that, sounds like we need to pull the dob out of the article (again) until there is a proper source given? —C.Fred (talk) 22:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'd have done it myself except for having already made three reverts in the last 24 hours. FDW777 (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arguably, there's a BLP exemption in play. —C.Fred (talk) 22:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Some or all of the changes weren't supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Consider re-submitting with content based on media, books and scholarly works.

Specific text to be added or removed: Please add DOB
Reason for the change: Date of birth not added
References supporting change: https://g.co/kgs/dZrn33 Knowledge panel already showing DOB.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 23:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: Google's knowledge panel is not acceptable as a source, since it cites Wikipedia as a source! —C.Fred (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: Can I show you ID card of Rizvi as source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs)

@Saad Arshad Butt: Absolutely not. Primary sources should not be uploaded, plus there's the twofold issue of potential identity theft if you upload the images and the possibility of the images being manipulated. That's why we want secondary sources. —C.Fred (talk) 23:24, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: Now there is no other source available on internet. How can we request you to add the Date of Birth on wikipedia? Also Please update 1 thing on my request that He is son of Khadim Hussain Rizvi. This source is available on the page Khadim Hussain Rizvi that Saad Hussain Rizvi is his son. Also written in 1st reference on page of Saad Hussain Rizvi

The information about his father is in the infobox, lead, and article body. Should we add it in every sentence? FDW777 (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Father name in infobox should be clickable Khadim Hussain Rizvi Upon clicking page of Khadim Hussain Rizvi Should be opened — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 23:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Leave it I have fixed it already.

New image

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Image does not comply with policies.

Specific text to be added or removed: Please add Picture.
Reason for the change: Picture not added. Please add https://i.dawn.com/primary/2021/12/61b0db8fc2735.jpg
References supporting change: https://www.dawn.com/news/1662656

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That image is not free and may not be used in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred:I have capture an image with my own camera and uploaded here. please check https://ibb.co/0n4VBTy Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 23:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am concerned about the similarity of the image to this YouTube video, which is not under CC license. —C.Fred (talk) 00:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am the videographer of this video. This is the recording inside a mosque & I myself captured all videos & photos. These are free to use on my gurrantee. Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 00:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: We need to go with the stated license on YouTube, not your statement here. Otherwise, you can contact the Volunteer Response Team and let them review your claim. —C.Fred (talk) 01:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How to Upload Hafiz Saad Hussain Rizvi ??? RealMUHAMMADzohaib (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Various changes reverted

Unless something is lost in translation, this reference says he was born in 1929 (and two different translators say that). It also says He is said to have memorized the Qur'an, not that he actually did. I also don't see where it supports the "Islamic scholar" claim, since the article it as pains to say he's not tall in terms of knowledge. FDW777 (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FDW777: Please check these lines Afterwards, he joined his father's Madrassah Abbu Zar Ghaffari for Hifz-E-Quran. Later, he studied Qirat-o-Tajweed for a year as well.[1] He is fluent in Arabic, Persian, Urdu and Punjabi languages......... Please ask someone who have knowledge about Islam.... These lines mean he is an Islamic Scholar & Allama..... Also plaese check this reference https://www.dawn.com/news/1617837..........Please check this line "Only Allama Saad Hussain Rizvi will be able to order the sit-ins to be ended," he added. Here the word Allama mean that he is an islamic scholar you can check this in this wikipedia article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allamah Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 00:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: Is "Allama" a title? In this edit, you tried to claim it's just his given name. —C.Fred (talk) 01:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: You mistakenly undone a huge changed and deleted paragraphs... I have restored the version again please review and write on my talk page.... or reply here in case of any issue.. Allama is a title that I already cleared in this section by mention FDW777... Please checkSaad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you are referring to, but Allama is very much an honorific and even if we did use it (we don't), there's zero evidence it applies to Saad Hussain Rizvi (in the real word at least). FDW777 (talk) 09:34, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: Why you are deleting all the paragraphs??? When you only want to delete the word Allama?Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but really, you shouldn't be editing the article directly at all. You need consensus for any changes you propose here before they are made by an independent editor. —C.Fred (talk) 02:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: Oh, I will take care from now, Actually I am new to wikipedia.Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: When you've acknowledged the messages about conflict of interest, and level four warnings, the "I am new" excuse doesn't get you that far. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: I will try to be good now But you also mistakenly deleated many lines & paragraphs those are referenced and sources provided.... Please check..Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: Somebody will look at them when you request the edit here on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 02:27, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: But why I don't have permission to edit an article when I can provide references....Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:29, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Saad Arshad Butt: It's a behavioural guideline: "Editors with a COI should follow Wikipedia policies and best practices scrupulously: ... you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly." (WP:COI) You're not forbidden from it, but given your inexperience (which you've already admitted to), it is a bad idea for you to edit the article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: I added Education section in talk page... review and add this to main page..Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Education

He is a well versed Hafiz-E-Quran, a Qari and have a strong grip on Sarf-O-Nahv Arabic & Persian Grammar ), Tafsir-e-Quran , Hadith , Kalaam-E-Iqbal , Mevlana Rumi , Hafez Shirazi , Sheikh Saadi Sherazi, Akbar Allahabadi and many more.He is not Sheikh-ul-Hadees wal Tafseer like his Father Khadim Hussain Rizvi because of his very young age but he has been under the strict supervision of Khadim Hussain Rizvi from the very beginning. After Hifz-e-Quran under his father Khadim Hussain Rizvi's superintendence he again entered school for further education but as per ALLAH's will, he was not meant for English schooling. At that exact moment, when Allama Hafiz Saad Hussain Rizvi was just 13 years old, his Father Khadim Hussain Rizvi met a car accident near Attock Talagang Road due to negligence of driver which paralyzed Khadim Hussain Rizvi ’s both legs, this accident effected the schooling of Allama Hafiz Saad Hussain Rizvi a little and he earned matriculation certificate privately. Moreover, he joined Madrassah again where Khadim Hussain Rizvi was teaching, so that he could be closer to take proper care of him. Then he managed to complete his own Dars-e-Nizami education, equivalent to Master's Degree in Arabic & Persian Islamic Studies in Higher Education System, under the supervision of Khadim Hussain Rizvi in Dar-ul-Uloom Nomaniyah, Bhati Gate, Lahore at the age of 23. He is fluent in Arabic , Persian , Urdu & Punjabi languages. He has a good taste of English as well, due to his primary and secondary education at school.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ "سعد حسین رضوی کون ہیں؟". www.dw.com.
^ "Who is TLP's new chief?". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 2020-11-27.
^ Dawn.com (4 September 2018). "'We will not bow to extremists': Govt hits back after vicious campaign targets Atif Mian".
^ "TLP Chiefs Son Hafiz Saad Rizvi Appointed As New Head Of The Party". UrduPoint. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

Comments. Source 3 does not mention Rizvi. Source 4 does not mention his education. —C.Fred (talk) 02:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2 does not provide that level of detail. —C.Fred (talk) 02:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: Education is inside number 1... CheckSaad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph would need to be rewritten to include what is in source 1, including the criticism of his education. It looks like there's doubt on whether he earned some of the credentials he's claiming. —C.Fred (talk) 02:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All I have is the degrees belonging to him some are not in news channels... Tell me the way to show you those degrees and write them here.Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do I understand that you're trying to add something to the article for which there is no published reliable source? —C.Fred (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No Actually there is some more information which is not published but I have details & information.. Is there any way to upload documents and verify that?Saad Arshad Butt (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holup, are you defining OR?Leomk0403 (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 01:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saad Arshad Butt (talk • contribs) 02:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred: No Actually there is some more information which is not published but I have details & information.. Is there any way to upload documents and verify that?

@Saad Arshad Butt: No. If the information is worth including, it will have been published in a secondary source, like a news story. —C.Fred (talk) 03:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should the editor with a COI continue to add honorifics, badly written fawning or material unsupported by the references, I will be taking this to AE for discretionary sanctions to be applied. FDW777 (talk) 08:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:ISLAMHON, In keeping with the neutral nature of Wikipedia, Islamic honorifics should generally be omitted from articles (whether Arabic or English), except where they are part of quotations. FDW777 (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also per the Encyclopaedia of Islam (published by Brill Publishers), Dars-e-Nizami is actually a method of education not a curriculum. So the idea it's equivalent to a master's degree is cloud cuckoo land thinking. FDW777 (talk) 09:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Movment

hafiz Saad Hussain rizvi is a Barelvi as a Movment. He follow A Imam Ahmad raza khan Barelvi and his Are also Barelvi He have a young brother hafiz Anas Rizvi 2409:4043:2293:1BDA:D915:C608:267:D2AD (talk) 05:54, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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[سعد_حسین_رضوی_کون_ہیں؟-1] "سعد حسین رضوی کون ہیں؟". www.dw.com.

[who_is_tlp_new_chief-2] "Who is TLP's new chief?". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 2020-11-27.

[3] Dawn.com (4 September 2018). "'We will not bow to extremists': Govt hits back after vicious campaign targets Atif Mian".

[4] "TLP Chiefs Son Hafiz Saad Rizvi Appointed As New Head Of The Party". UrduPoint. Retrieved 2021-01-03.

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