Talk:Sa'd ibn Junaydil

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Saudi Arabian historian Sa'd ibn Junaydil when appointed as teacher in Dawadmi he had not obtained a high school diploma, and he took graduation exams with his students? Source: Web source Al-Assaf, Mansur (8 December 2017). "سعد الجنيدل.. عالم البلدانيات والمؤرخ الموسوعي". alriyadh (in Arabic). Archived from the original on 13 August 2022. Retrieved 13 August 2022. which stated that originally from Al-Masradi, Masʻud ibn Fahd (2014). Sa‘d al-Junaydil ‘āliyat Najd wa-Najd al-‘āliyah سعد الجنيدل .. عالية نجد ونجد العالية (in Arabic) (first ed.). Beirut, Lebanon: Jadawel. ISBN 9786144181614.
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  • Comment: Feel free to copyediting.

Created by Ruwaym (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC).

• I've made a copyedit to the hook and simplified it to the ones below:

ALT1 ... that when Saudi Arabian historian Sa'd ibn Junaydil was appointed as a teacher, he had yet to obtain a high school diploma?

ALT1a ... that when Sa'd ibn Junaydil was appointed as a teacher, he had yet to obtain a high school diploma?

ALT2 ... that Saudi Arabian historian Sa'd ibn Junaydil took high school graduation exams with his students, as he had yet to obtain a high school diploma?

A full review is still needed, although due to grammar concerns I have struck the original hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to Narutolovehinata5. ALT2 looks better. Ruwaym (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

On second thought, I've decided to withdraw ALT2 as it's slightly more complicated than ALT1/ALT1a and I think it's probably better to keep the graduation exams thing a bit mysterious. Also, I think the fact that he was a teacher despite not initially having a high school diploma was more surprising. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

• Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Okay, article seems fine overall, just a few things:

• You did not provide a QPQ, but it seems like you have fewer than 5 DYK nominations and don't need one yet. Can you confirm that?
• I did some copyediting on the article (as far as my own non-native skills allow), but I didn't understand one sentence: He worked in agriculture and trade with his father and benefited greatly from his teaching classes, who was a poet and had a library. Does this mean his father taught him classes? And that his father also was a poet and had a library – or is the poet someone else?
• As for the hooks, I have no preference, and I don't even think ALT2 is bad. Which ones do you prefer, @Ruwaym? –LordPickleII (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@LordPeterII Hey. I prefered ALT2 but ALT1a looks fine too as Narutolovehinata5 said, but i guess we need to mention his nationality and main job. 1) I don't know what is exactly QPQ yer. 2) Yes, it's all about his father, looks like he was an educated merchant, interested to culture. His father tought him first, he was also an occasional poet. Ruwaym (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ruwaym: This is explained in Wikipedia:Did you know#Eligibility criteria under 5. Review requirement (QPQ) – For every article you nominate, you must review one other nomination (unrelated to you)‍—‌this is called quid pro quo or QPQ. This is to make sure that we have reviews, or everyone will just nominate articles, and never review :) But you don't have to do that if you have nominated less than 5 articles. I think you don't have nominated 5 articles yet at DYK, so you don't have to do it. I was just asking you to confirm that.

I have changed the sentence about his father slightly so it is clearer to me that he was taught at home. You can check if it is okay.

As for hooks, I can approve multiple and one of them will chosen later. I just don't want to approve one that you don't like. –LordPickleII (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: Aha, thanks for explanation and editing. go on then. Ruwaym (talk) 19:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I would like to approve ALT2 after all, as I don't think it is bad, and the nominator preferred it. I hope that is okay with you? The promoter can still chose between it and ALT1; I will only strike ALT1a since Ruwaym wanted to see his job and nationality mentioned. @Ruwaym: Correct me if I understood you wrong there, we are both not native English speakers and sometimes I am unsure what you mean 😅

Approve both ALT1 and ALT2. –LordPeterII (talk) 19:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)