Talk:SS Emperor

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Review: March 23, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from SS Emperor appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 April 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the freighter Emperor is the most visited shipwreck in Isle Royale National Park?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/SS Emperor.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:SS Emperor/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 13:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this one shortly. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead:
- The second paragraph is full of details that really don't need to be in the lead. Definitely needs to be cut down on the intricate details that really should only be in the body of the article.
Done
Background:
- "in 1882, Onoko, an iron freighter, temporarily became the largest ship on the lakes." while interesting... I can't see how this helps our understanding of the ship built in 1907.... same for "Two years later, a steel package freighter, Susquehanna, became the largest vessel on the lakes." and "In 1895, the first 400 feet (121.9 m) freighter was constructed. The first 500 feet (152.4 m) freighters were built five years later."
Done
- What were her crew numbers when launched?

I don't think this is stated anywhere.

Service history:
- "She commended her maiden voyage on May 3, 1911" did you mean "She commenced her maiden voyage on May 3, 1911"?
Done
- "One of Emperor's deckhands was swept overboard in the storm." What was his fate?
Done
Final voyage:
- "After unloading a cargo of coal in Thunder Bay"... can we have a date here to help ground the reader chronologically?
Done. I assume this happened on June 3.
Aftermath:
- "In order to deter potential looters, the body was later reportedly sunk end of the stern by Canadian divers" did you mean "In order to deter potential looters, the body was later reportedly sunk at the end of the stern by Canadian divers"?
Done
Emperor wreck:
- I'm assuming the cargo is still around the wreck? Has it spilled or is it mostly in still intact cargo holds?
Done
- "Wreckage from the canaller Dunelm is located 100 yards (91.4 m) east of Emperor's bow, in about 60 feet (18.3 m). Dunelm ran aground on Canoe Rocks in December 1910, and was freed within a week.[64][70] The wreckage left at the site includes her anchors and chain, and the remains of one of her lifeboats." We can probably condense this down to "Wreckages from the canaller Dunelm who ran aground in 1910 but was freed lies 100 yards east of Emperor's bow." ... although I'm not sure it even needs to be mentioned at all here.
Done
I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ealdgyth: All done. GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 18:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These look good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 19:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Emperor in 1939

... that the freighter Emperor (pictured) is the most visited shipwreck in Isle Royale National Park? Source: Your Introduction to Isle Royale National Park - Page 9
- ALT1: ... that the freighter Emperor (pictured) is the most recent shipwreck of Isle Royale? Source: Submerged Cultural Resources Study: Isle Royale National Park - Page 185
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KLEF

Improved to Good Article status by GreatLakesShips (talk). Self-nominated at 22:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Both hooks are interesting and sourced. I prefer the primary hook, but ALT1 is fine too. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Congratulations on this excellent article! Thriley (talk) 19:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5 without image