Talk:SSPX-affiliated religious orders

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Are these groups affiliated to SSPX or just similar? Is it even possible that some of them would say that SSPX is affiliated to them? Lima 04:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Those groups are affiliated in the sense like dependant on and linked to. Their foundation or preservation is more or less dependant on the SSPX, minimally with sacraments and sacramentals, that they receive from SSPX priests or bishops. For that reason it seems better to say that they are affiliated to SSPX than vice versa. BohumilzBiliny (talk) 11:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Identifying the tradition of SSPX orders

After Veverve opened a discussion of the WikiProject Christianity noticeboard regarding reference to SSPX groups as "Benedictine" and "Dominican", I am moving the conversation to this talk page. The consensus on the noticeboard is that referring to a group by its spiritual tradition or religious rule–regardless of canonical status or denominational affiliation–is the standard. However, Veverve raised the issue that many of these orders are only identifiable within these traditions through sources directly from these orders or the affiliate SSPX. In the interest of resolving the issue, I support considering these sources as reliable; however, should alternative unaffiliated sources present themselves, our natural deference towards independent reliable sources should be given precedence. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:41, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It needs to be said that Veverve's argumentation was based on a false claim, that SSPX is not a catholic organization. As was stated by several bishops, eg. Mons. Schneider, as well as by Vatican authorities, SSPX is a catholic organisation. It's foundation was approved on 1. 11. 1970 by bishop of Geneva.

Also should be noted that those affiliated groups live more according to the rules of their orders, than probably some of the groups which would Veverve consider "real" e.g. benedictine monks in regard to Night office. BohumilzBiliny (talk) 11:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

The SSPX is not a Catholic organisation: it is not recognised by the Holy See as part of the Catholic Church. You see to have a notable bias, if I can juge it by you stating textbook pro-SSPX talking points, BohumilzBiliny. Veverve (talk) 11:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I would not completely concur with your statement that "the SSPX ... is not recognized by the Holy See as part of the Catholic Church." I'd direct you to look at the letter that Msgr. Perl of the PCED sent in 1998, as well as the permissions the Holy See granted regarding their marriages and Confessions. These three documents clearly indicate some level of recognition within the current papacy. I would point to the verbiage of "canonically irregular" or "in imperfect communion" as phrases that recognize the nuance of the situation more. Maximilian775 (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• The issue of the SSPX's canonical status could be debated endlessly, and need not rehashed to resolve the issue at hand. I support the idea the self-identitification in an organization's own literature is sufficient is sufficient. My opinion applies to the SSPX specifically, and other religious groups in general. I would prefer the link go to the main article, rather than to "rule" for a particular order. The main articles tend to be higher quality in describing the history and defining characteristics. Where applicable, it should be noted on the main articles that entities outside the order, or even outside the Catholic Church, may also follow it's spiritual traditions. –Zfish118^⋉talk 23:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)