Talk:SOIUSA
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[edit]This article seems to be ever so slightly promoting the SOIUSA Alpine classification system. What is its status? Has it been widely accepted by the Alpine nations and clubs? Or does it remain an Italian proposal or alternative to the long-standing classification of the Alps by the German, Austrian and South Tyrol Alpine Clubs? I have no axe to grind - just asking. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Bermicourt. I' not able to answer the first part of your question but I've noticed that the on-line version of Treccani (the Italian analogous of Encyclopedia Britannica) considers the SOIUSA the current Alps classification (see [1]). Coming to the second point, I don't think that SOIUSA can be considered as an alternative to Alpine Club classification of the Eastern Alps (AVE) but somehow its extension to Western Alps. SOIUSA incorporates most (or all, I don't know exactly) AVE mountain groups, usually considering them as Alpine subsections (i.e.:Eastern Tauern Alps). Also most of the French massifs (see [Massif des Alpes map]) are incorporated by SOIUSA, but rather as soupergroups than as subsections. Good evening --F Ceragioli (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- The discussion at the German version of this article suggests that exaggerated claims are being made for this system in terms of its international acceptance. Worryingly almost all the google hits for SOIUSA that I could check were wikipedia links or copycat pages. Most of the references on this article are Italian self-references or links to the Italian Alpine Club etc. I'm afraid this suggests it may be POV; at the very least it's neutrality is suspect, so I will tag it accordingly until the issue is cleared up. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I cannot read German as, I presume, most part of the en.wiki readers/editors can't. Could you please resume the reasons given in that talk, so we can evaluate wether they are also relevant for this article - which is of course different from its German version - or not? In the incipit of the english article is written that SOIUSA was designed in collaboration and patronage with the Italian Alpine Club, the UIAA and numerous collaborators (listed in a footnote). Do you think this statement is exaggerated? --F Ceragioli (talk) 08:39, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- The summary of the German discussion is that the German article is WP:POV and is pushing SOIUSA by claiming it has international support, notably by the UIAA and the German-speaking world, which it doesn't. Having read the on-line links from this article myself, I found no evidence of support for SOIUSA at all apart from the Italian Alpine Club sponsoring the presentation of the book and a lecture in 2006. In fact two of the links here were to sites selling Marazzi's book! I have therefore cleaned up the article to line it up with the evidence found and removed the tag. I accept it may need further work. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes:. I'm wondering whether to put this article up for deletion along with its derivatives as I still don't see any notability or widespread acceptance of this proposed system. The 4 sources are all by Marazzi, the inventor of the system, and the inline citations are likewise his or refer to his lecture on the subject or don't seem to be about the SOIUSA system itself. I can find no substantive support either online or in book sources for the classification and it is 16 years since Marazzi made his proposal and published his book. Bermicourt (talk) 11:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The summary of the German discussion is that the German article is WP:POV and is pushing SOIUSA by claiming it has international support, notably by the UIAA and the German-speaking world, which it doesn't. Having read the on-line links from this article myself, I found no evidence of support for SOIUSA at all apart from the Italian Alpine Club sponsoring the presentation of the book and a lecture in 2006. In fact two of the links here were to sites selling Marazzi's book! I have therefore cleaned up the article to line it up with the evidence found and removed the tag. I accept it may need further work. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I cannot read German as, I presume, most part of the en.wiki readers/editors can't. Could you please resume the reasons given in that talk, so we can evaluate wether they are also relevant for this article - which is of course different from its German version - or not? In the incipit of the english article is written that SOIUSA was designed in collaboration and patronage with the Italian Alpine Club, the UIAA and numerous collaborators (listed in a footnote). Do you think this statement is exaggerated? --F Ceragioli (talk) 08:39, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- The discussion at the German version of this article suggests that exaggerated claims are being made for this system in terms of its international acceptance. Worryingly almost all the google hits for SOIUSA that I could check were wikipedia links or copycat pages. Most of the references on this article are Italian self-references or links to the Italian Alpine Club etc. I'm afraid this suggests it may be POV; at the very least it's neutrality is suspect, so I will tag it accordingly until the issue is cleared up. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
