Talk:SK-II
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NPOV dispute
[edit]In my opinion, this article is rather heavily leaning in the direction of marketing material and not a factual description of the company and it's key product. --SHayter (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. And there is no mention of the controversy regarding their exports to China, where two banned substances were discovered in a number of their products (chromium and neodymium, I think).121.44.206.202 (talk) 09:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree and edited it accordingly. Note that, since December 2006, SK-II has been for sale in China (P&G voluntarily pulled the line, then brought it back).--99.231.196.195 (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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Changes for History Section
1) SK-II as a brand was not developed in the 1970s, it is more accurate say their “story" began in the 1970s Proposed changes: SK-II’s story began at a sake brewery in Japan in the 1970s... (ref: http://news.pg.com/blog/birth-icon-sk-ii)
2) Request to add in "wrinkled faces" to describe elderly workers e.g: Despite their wrinkled faces, elderly workers had smooth, clear and young looking hand. (ref: http://news.pg.com/blog/birth-icon-sk-ii)
3) Request to change "young looking hands" to "Youthful looking hands" (ref: http://news.pg.com/blog/birth-icon-sk-ii)
4) Request to change "monk" to "scientist" as it was not a monk that made the observation but scientists, this is according to numerous sources as well as the source on P&G's website (ref: http://news.pg.com/blog/birth-icon-sk-ii)
5) Request to add in below liner on "Pitera" before the line " P&G acquired the brand with ..." Proposed line: Pitera is a bio-ingredient that contains the same similar composition of vitamins, amino acids and organic acids as the skin’s Natural Moisturizing Factors. (Ref: https://www.futurederm.com/sk-ii-is-it-worth-all-the-hype-and/)
6) Request to add in a liner to expound on the brand's global presence Propose line: "SK-II is now sold in 13 markets across the world" after the last line." (Ref: http://news.pg.com/sites/pg.newshq.businesswire.com/files/blog/additional/PG_BB_Sheets_SKII_Final.pdf) Dvgho81 (talk) 09:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Closing per WP:MULTI. User:Yngvadottir was pinged — Andy W. (talk) 04:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- I also had a message on my talk page, with a slightly different list. I've now made time to look at the sources and edit the page. I did not add the wrinkled faces or change to "youthful-looking": too ad-like. Similarly I did not repeat the claims for Pitera: the source is a promotional page repeating info from P&G marketing. The "legend" of the monks is attributed to P&G in the cited third-party source, but is indeed not there in the company page; presumably the company has stopped saying this, but it's still there in the 3rd-party source. So I changed to passive voice. I don't see the issue with the research having taken place in the 1970s followed by the brand being started in the early 1980s, but I broke up the sentence and used "launched" as requested. Rather than state the number of places in which it's sold, I added a sentence with those that were not previously mentioned, with "as of": I presumed the press release source was this year, finding no date. There is no S. America there, so I removed that from the lede. (I also removed the unnecessary reference, but added the yeast derivation since it is a major point.) I wish there were more sources independent of the company; perhaps there are news stories about its launch in, for example, Spain or Australia? Yngvadottir (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the company press releases count as a reputable source, they are certainly not independent Lyndaship (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I'd a lot rather not have to use that source, but I believe they can be trusted to say where they sell it, and citing it from some online repository of press releases would be worse, IMO. Dvgho81 does have a point that we should keep up to date with where it's sold; note we were claiming with no evidence that it's available in S. America. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the company press releases count as a reputable source, they are certainly not independent Lyndaship (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- I also had a message on my talk page, with a slightly different list. I've now made time to look at the sources and edit the page. I did not add the wrinkled faces or change to "youthful-looking": too ad-like. Similarly I did not repeat the claims for Pitera: the source is a promotional page repeating info from P&G marketing. The "legend" of the monks is attributed to P&G in the cited third-party source, but is indeed not there in the company page; presumably the company has stopped saying this, but it's still there in the 3rd-party source. So I changed to passive voice. I don't see the issue with the research having taken place in the 1970s followed by the brand being started in the early 1980s, but I broke up the sentence and used "launched" as requested. Rather than state the number of places in which it's sold, I added a sentence with those that were not previously mentioned, with "as of": I presumed the press release source was this year, finding no date. There is no S. America there, so I removed that from the lede. (I also removed the unnecessary reference, but added the yeast derivation since it is a major point.) I wish there were more sources independent of the company; perhaps there are news stories about its launch in, for example, Spain or Australia? Yngvadottir (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreement
[edit]Discussion QuasaArmada01 (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2019 (UTC)