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On 11 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved. The result of the discussion was not moved.

How the fraud works through Law Enforcement agencies

PIN1, PIN2 and PUK codes are available at the backend, sometimes even in frontend customer care section of company outlets. A dummy card is used to activate with the codes and use the account on another mobile phone. That's all.
It becomes easier to manipulate and hijack identity when there are Dual SIM slots in the phone and the person switches off the phone. Keeping phone always switched "on" has the disadvantage of allowing eavesdropping as well as the possibility of hostile programs being downloaded, and so a balance has to be made.

Details missing

Why Sim PIN and PUKs are not required for the switch? Zezen (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AT&T etc. employees do it themselves: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3n3am/att-and-verizon-employees-charged-sim-swapping-criminal-ring

-> Let us update it.

Zezen (talk) 18:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Section of mitigations?

I know that there are alleged defenses against SIM swapping, like using VOIP numbers (e.g. Google Voice) or avoiding SMS 2FA whenever possible. I don't think there's any data to support those defenses, but I could be wrong. Should there be a section on this? RentedUniverse (talk) 14:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If any mitigations are discussed in Reliable Sources WP:RS than it would be good to include statements about such in this article. Please also see: WP:OR. Thanks!---Avatar317 ^(talk) 22:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A number of mitigations are discussed in this [1] 2021 AARP article. That's a bit old, so I don't know how accurate it is. Also [2] at howtogeek. The chief recommendation seems to be not to use text-based 2FA, but rather an app-based 2FA, if possible. And this [3] androidpolice article recommends locking (= freezing) your phone number. I can't judge whether any of these is judged a Reliable Source. Mcswell (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 07:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SIM swap scam → SIM swap OR SIM swapping – WP:COMMONNAME. This is generally just referred to as "SIM swap" (or the action of performing it, "SIM swapping"), so having "scam" in the title is not exceptionally necessary and can just be introduced in the lead section. B3251 (talk) 18:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I have swapped the SIM in my phone many times. It is a common thing to do that does not involve fraud or scamming. The current article title makes it clear that the ordinary action of swapping SIMs is not what the article is about. The article is about a scam, and the current article title makes that clear. The proposed article title does not. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Important to note that "SIM swap" redirects to the current article, meaning that any mention of "swapping SIMs" on Wikipedia currently refers to SIM swapping. That being said, I hadn't thought about that when making the request, but I'd still like to propose moving the article title to "SIM swapping" due to being much more commonly used to refer to this practice rather than "SIM swap scam". As a matter of fact, "SIM swapping" online seems to completely refer to the illicit practice. I'll modify my request. Thanks, B3251 (talk) 04:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proposal was slightly modified after I made my comment to add "OR SIM swapping". I don't think that makes much of a difference. The current title seems more clear that this is referring to an illicit activity. As I said before, the ordinary action of swapping SIMs is not what the article is about. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’d argue that “sim swapping” today almost entirely refers to the illicit practice of doing so, looking it up it through search engines return only the illicit practice/scam. Yes, it is a more recent term/practice (over the past ~10 yrs probably) though I still feel as if the more common term for this action should be the WP name to conform with familiarity. “Changing SIMs” seems to be a more widely used term for non-illicit swapping of SIMs. B3251 (talk) 11:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Whereas the most common CURRENT media usage may be just "SIM swapping" I would bet that is not an accurate picture of what the great majority of people understand it as. It is a scam, and it is more clear when the title says that when someone is searching, rather than only in the article. We currently have "SIM swapping" as a redirect to "SIM swap scam", I think this is the most clear way for it to be.

---Avatar317 ^(talk) 01:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

History?

As I read about it, it seems it came to prominence in late 2010s. If someone knows of some history it would be good to add. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 15:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]