Talk:SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes/History by company

The main source is [1] (1876).

Electric Traction Company

54 Fox Chase
- 1911: on 5/6 from Porter
55 Fox Chase & Powell

Citizens' Passenger Railway

32 10 & 11
- 1876: 10/11, Reed to Diamond; 10, Reed to Mifflin
- 1911: 10/11
- Route 6, eliminated in 1920 because it was redundant with 23

Frankford and Southwark Philadelphia City Passenger Railroad

72 Frankford Berks 5 & 6
- 1876: Kensington-Front-Berks-5/6, Cumberland to Mifflin; Kensington-Frankford, Cumberland to Frankford
- 1911: on 5/6
- Route 3 on 12/13
- Also Route 26 on 6/7, eliminated in 1922?
73 Frankford Lehigh 5 & 6
- 1876: Kensington-Lehigh-5/6, Cumberland to Powell:
- 1911: on 5/6
- Became Route 27 on 12/13, eliminated in 1922?

Lombard and South Streets Passenger Railway

21 Lombard & South
- 1876: Lombard/South, Front to 25
- 1911: Lombard/South west of Front into West Philly
- Combined with Baltimore as Route 40

Second and Third Streets Passenger Railway

71 Frankford 2 & 3
- 1876: Frankford/Amber-2/3, Lehigh to Mifflin; Frankford, Lehigh to Arrott
- 1911: on 2/3
- Combined as Route 5 on 2/3
Coral/Amber-Dauphin/York-2/3, Lehigh to Dock
Lehigh-Richmond-Frankford-Fairmount/Brown-2/3, Frankford to Dock
- Became Route 25 on 2/3?
78 Bridesburg
- 1876: Lehigh-Richmond-Bridge, Frankford to Washington; Richmond, Lehigh-Allegheny
- 1911: on 2/3
- Originally ??; later combined with Lehigh as Route 15
New Market-Vine-Front, Fairmount to Chestnut
Cumberland, Richmond-Amber

- One of these became Route 28, eliminated in 1928; another became Route 4??

People's Passenger Railway

40 Callowhill
- 1876: Callowhill, Fairmount Park to Front
- 1911: crosstown; abandonment planned

34 Norris & Susquehanna
- 1911: west to 32; on 4/8
- Route 8 crosstown
43 York & Dauphin
- 1911: crosstown
- Route 39 crosstown?
53 Indiana
- 1911: on 4/8 from Ritner (formely Dauphin) to Rising Sun (formerly Indiana)
- Route 47 on 8/9?
60 Pelham
- 1911: on 4/8 south to Pine (formerly Snyder)
63 Willow Grove 4 & 8
- 1911: on 4/8
- Route 55 on 10/11 with short-turn Route 19 on 6/7

Germantown Passenger Railway

4/8, Susquehanna to Dickerson or Walnut
- Became Route 50 on 4/5
58 Chestnut Hill, 59 Chestnut Hill 2nd Section
- 1876: Germantown, Dauphin to Germantown
- 1911: on 4/8 to South Philly
- Route 23 on 10/11
76 Girard
- 1876: Girard/Parkside, Palmer to Belmont
- 1911: Allegheny to 63rd
- Route 15

Green and Coates Streets Philadelphia Passenger Railway

41 Dickinson?
- 1876: Green/Fairmount-4/8, Fairmount Park to Dickerson or Walnut
- 1911: on 4/8
42 Beach
- 1876: Green/Fairmount, 4 to Beach
- 1911: Green/Fairmount crosstown
- Combined with Spring Garden as Route 43

Philadelphia Traction Company

2 19 & 20
- 1911: on 19/20 to South Philly
3 17 & 18
- 1911: on 17/18 to South Philly
7 Catharine & Bainbridge
- 1911: crosstown
- Route 63
8 Federal & Wharton
- 1911: crosstown
- Route 64
39 Morris & Tasker
- 1911: on 22/23; north to York on 31/32
- Route 29 and Route 7?

Continental Passenger Railway

45 Continental Depot
- 1911: on north? 18/20; along York/Dauphin to 32 (formerly 22)
- Route 16 on 19/20, eliminated in 1929
46 Continental Nicetown
- 1911: on north 18/20 to Hunting Park (formerly Susquehanna)
- Route 33 on 19/20

- South part became Route 17 on 19/20

Philadelphia City Passenger Railway

9 Chestnut
- 1876: Chestnut/Walnut, 42 to Front
- 1911: on Chester to 65th (formerly Chestnut to 42nd)
- Route 13
Belmont-Lancaster-32-Chestnut/Walnut, Fairmount Park to Front
12 Darby, 86 Darby Subway
- 1876: Darby-Woodland-Chestnut/Walnut, Darby or Mount Moriah to Front
- 1911: on Chestnut/Walnut to Front (formerly Woodland to 49th)
- Route 11 in the subway

Philadelphia and Gray's Ferry Passenger Railway

14 Gray's Ferry
- 1876: Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-2/3, Schuylkill River to Walnut
- 1911: to Darby (formerly Gray's Ferry Bridge)
- Route 12

Ridge Avenue Passenger Railway

44 Ridge
- 1876: Ridge-9/10-Arch, 22 to 2
- 1911: Arch to Front (formerly 9); north on 29 to Allegheny
- Part of Route 48
38 Manayunk
- 1876: Ridge, Manayunk to 22
- 1911: into downtown
- Route 61 on 8/9

Seventeenth and Nineteenth Streets Passenger Railway

50 17 & 19
- 1876: 17/19, Columbia to Carpenter
- 1911: on 17/19-Chestnut-Walnut to Front (formerly 4); north to Hunting Park Avenue (formerly Norris)
- Route 21 on 17/18
51 17 & 19 Short Line
- 1911: on 17/19
- Route 32 on 17/18

Thirteenth and Fifteenth Streets Passenger Railway

13/15-Columbia/Master, Washington to Ridge
48 13 & 15
- 1876: 13/15, Washington to Norris; Broad, south from Washington; Broad, Norris to Glenwood
- 1911: 13/15 to League Island (formerly Jackson)
- Route 20 on 12/13

47 Cumberland
- 1911: 13/15 to Shunk (formerly Locust)
- Route 24, eliminated in 1929?

49 Wayne
- 1911: 13/15 to Jackson (formerly Locust)
- Route 53

Union Passenger Railway

Wallace/Spring Garden-7/9-Federal/Wharton, Fairmount Park to Front
4 Richmond 7 & 9
- 1876: Master/Oxford-7/9-Ellsworth/Christian, loop in Kensington to Broad
- 1911: on 6/9 to South 22/23 (formerly loop in Kensington only)
- Route 25 on 2/3?
- South end became Route 18 on 22/23?
36 Columbia
- 1876: Columbia-7/9, 23 to Market
- 1911: on 7/9
- Route 51 on 8/9
Spring Garden/Poplar, Fairmount Park to 7
Cedar-Somerset, York to Richmond
- Combined with Lehigh as Route 54
7/9-Christian/Ellsworth, McKean to 23

33 Cambria 7 & 9
- 1911: on 7/9 to Arch (formerly Market); to North Philly Station
- Route 53??

35 McKean
- 1911: on 7/9; west on Arch to 20/23-Poplar-29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Columbia via 7/Franklin)
- Route 9?

37 Fairmount
- 1911: Arch to Front (formerly continued south on 7/9 to Broad & Ellsworth); north to York via 29-Columbia-31/32 (formerly Poplar)
- Route 48?

West Philadelphia Passenger Railway

41-Market, Parkside to Front
23 Haddington-Haverford
- 1876: Haverford, 41 to 67
- 1911: via Market
- Route 30

Empire Passenger Railway (ETCo/PTCo)

1 12 & 16
- 1876: 12/16, Wharton to Montgomery
- 1911: on 12/16
- Became Route 2 on 15/16

Hestonville, Mantua and Fairmount Passenger Railway

29 Race & Vine
- 1876: Belmont-Lancaster-Haverford/Spring Garden-Race/Vine-2/3, Fairmount Park to Walnut
- 1911: ran into downtown
- Route 85?
- Also combined with Green/Fairmount as Route 43
27 Haddington-Hestonville
- 1876: Lancaster, Belmont to 52; Arch, 21 to 2
- 1911: Arch from 20th to Front (formerly 43rd and Lancaster); west to 63rd and Girard (formerly 52nd and Lancaster)
- Route 44

Unsure which company had these

5 Passyunk
- 1911: 2/3 to Dock (formerly didn't enter downtown)
- Route 81
6 Point Breeze
- 1911: crosstown
- Route 68, eliminated in 1914
10 Chester Ave.
- 1911: truncated east of 40th to connect with el
11 Chester Ave. extension
- 1911: to Darby
- Route 62
15 52 St.
- 1911: crosstown
- Route 35
16 Elmwood
- 1911: via Gray's Ferry-Spruce/Pine-9/12 to Arch (formerly Paschall)
- Route 36
17 Island Road
- Route 45? Route 83?
18 Lancaster-Haddington
- 1911: Market (formerly Chestnut-Walnut); west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
- Route 10
19 Baring
20 Girard-Belmont
22 Bala
- 1911: south to Market (formerly Jefferson)
- Route 70
24 63 & Vine
- 1911: into downtown on Market
- Route 31 and Route 69?
25 West Spruce
- Route 42
26 Belmont
28 Overbrook
- Route 41
30 58 & 60
- 1911: north to 63 & Lansdowne (formerly 60 & Master)
- Route 46
52 Glenside
- Route 86?
56 Franklinville
- 1911: on 5/6; north to Olney (formerly Rising Sun)
- Route 65
57 Olney
- 1911: doesn't enter downtown
- Route 75
61 Chelten
- 1911: doesn't enter downtown
- Route 52
62 Chelten-Willow Grove
- Part of Route 49
64 Willow Grove 13 & 15
65 Doylestown
- Route 22
66 Hatboro
- Route 74
67 Berks & Montgomery
- 1911: on 10/11; turned (east?) at Market (formerly south)
68 Lehigh
- 1911: west to Ridge (formerly Broad)
- Route 54
69 Tioga & Dock
- 1911: on 2/3
- Route 4?
70 Erie
- Part of Route 49
74 Frankford-Bridesburg
- Route 73
75 Torresdale
- Route 58
77 Jefferson
- 1911: north to Richmond & Allegheny (formerly Hancock & Lehigh) via a very indirect route including Somerset
- Route 57
79 Allegheny
- Route 60
80 Allegheny Short Line
81 Chester
- Route 76
82 Media
- Route 71
83 Lansdowne
- Route 78
84 Middletown
- Route 77
85 Subway-Elevated
- Duh
87 Baltimore Subway
- Route 34
88 Lancaster-Haddington Subway
- 1911: west to 63rd (formerly Belmont) on Girard
- Route 10
89 Baring Subway
- Route 38

West End Passenger Railway

13 Baltimore
- 1876: 38/40-40/41-Parkside, Baltimore to Belmont
- 1911: into downtown on Chestnut/Walnut; west to Cobbs Creek (formerly a loop)
- East half combined with Lombard/South as Route 40
31 Zoo
- 1876: 38/40-Locust-33/36-35, Baltimore to Zoo
- 1911: short loop
- Route 67; eliminated in 1918

These don't seem to be in the 1911 list

Route 14
Route 37
Route 56
Route 59
Route 66
Route 72
Route 79 (recommended as an addition, to turn north on 2/3)
Route 80
Route 82
Route 84

First reply in two years

NE2, I know you haven't worked on this list in two years, but have you ever considered this brochure as an additional source? ----DanTD (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - I hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately it doesn't have much, and probably doesn't detail all the 1910s changes (Commons:1911 maps of streetcars in Philadelphia). --NE2 23:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Click on some of the pages, and you can find out what years some lines were established, like SEPTA Route 56 in 1907. I admit it doesn't have everything, but still every little bit helps. ----DanTD (talk) 01:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]