Talk:S.L. Benfica/Archive 3

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Requested move 11 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that S.L. Benfica be renamed and moved to SL Benfica.

result:
No consensus seen in discussion below, nor do we see a lot of consistency in punctuations in the Portugal category, so there may be a need to take this to a different venue to resolve. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their arguments and try again in a few months to garner consensus for this title change. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 01:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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S.L. Benfica → SL Benfica – According to Ciberdúvidas (Google translation here), there's no need to display dots in the club's name because it's only a matter of style, not rules. "SL Benfica" is used by the club's official website, Liga Portugal, UEFA, and other websites. Moreover, Wikipedians frequently link to "SL Benfica" (many links were then changed to "S.L. Benfica") either because it looks simpler or because it's less tiresome to write. However, one could argue the Benfica emblem displays dots and, therefore, we should write as is; but then we would also have to use spaces: "S . L . Benfica" or "S. L. Benfica". SLBedit (talk) 23:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Jerm (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 17:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - it is standard naming convention for Portuguese clubs, see Category:Football clubs in Portugal. Giant Snowman 17:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Then why were Sporting C.P. and F.C. Porto renamed without dots? SLBedit (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

For me, a bigger question is "why did we abandon the Sporting Clube de Portugal" name? But yeah, the C.P. clearly stands for something, so dots is better there. Same with F.C. Porto. – Pee Jay 21:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose per GS. The de facto naming convention/style for Portuguese clubs is to use the dots. This needs a more meta discussion on whether all of them should be changed. Number 5 7 19:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: What's the right place to discuss that? SLBedit (talk) 17:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Probably WT:FOOTY. Number 5 7 17:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Support For me the deciding factor should be how the club itself write its name. I can see here on the Benfica official site they write SL Benfica without dots. Since others mentioned Porto and Sporting, FC Porto's official website writes their name without dots, as well as the Sportin official website writes Sporting CP without dots. If the team spells their name a certain way, it should be spelt that way. RedPatchBoy (talk) 00:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure the decision to add dots counts as spelling. It's a stylistic thing. We have an article at Adidas, not adidas, despite the way the company itself styles its name, and it's no different with the omission of dots when they would normally be required to indicate abbreviation. – PeeJay 01:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
  - They aren't required, it really is a stylistic option. SLBedit (talk) 21:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Comment I am not bothered which way round it is, it seems these days either is acceptable. Govvy (talk) 11:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Support: Per the club itself styling itself as SL Benfica. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@ArsenalFan700: - as stated above, that is the club branding style, not the actual name. Giant Snowman 11:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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The club was founded 117 years ago today, not 116 2A00:23C8:8A1:C301:697B:B897:E23E:C30E (talk) 09:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Not done: the age is calculated automatically by a template, it will update to "117 years ago" tomorrow. Volteer1 (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Benfica Play merger

Merge Discussion

Benfica Play (BPlay) should be merged into S.L. Benfica#Media, which already includes information on the subject. Apart from being a very small article, it relies mainly on primary and secondary sources (slbenfica.pt and news articles, respectively) about its launch in January 2020. Currently, it looks like an advert and, per my reasoning, probably fails WP:NWEB. Moreover, it's irrelevant to mention where, when and who announced the streaming service. SLBedit (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Done by proposer. SLBedit (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Please add

After the 1962 European Cup Final, Béla Guttmann approached the Benfica board of directors and asked for a modest pay rise.^[1]^[2] However, despite the success he had brought the club, he was turned down.^[3]^[4] On leaving Benfica, he allegedly cursed the club declaring, "Not in a hundred years from now will Benfica ever be European champions again".^[5] Benfica have gone on to lose eight European finals (1963, 1965, 1968, 1983, 1988, 1990, 2013, and 2014).^[6] Before the 1990 final, played in Vienna (the city where Guttmann was buried), Eusébio prayed at his grave and asked - to no avail - for the curse to be broken.^[7]^[1]

To celebrate Benfica's 110th birthday, a statue of coach Béla Guttmann holding his two European Cups was unveiled. The statue made by Hungarian sculptor László Szatmári Juhos was placed at door 18 of the Estádio da Luz.^[8]

--2604:2000:E010:1100:30EC:8864:F04E:2A4B (talk) 01:57, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

That is too much personal, detailed information to be in this article. If you notice, the article doesn't include information on how coaches, players, and presidents left Benfica. About the picture, it isn't better or more relevant than the ones currently in the article. SLBedit (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I've added information about the "curse" to the "Golden years and fading" section. SLBedit (talk) 22:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b Alan McDougall (2020). Contested Fields; A Global History of Modern Football
^ James Masters (4 December 2012). "Benfica and 'the curse of Bela Guttmann'". CNN.
^ "Béla Guttmann and the curse of Benfica". 17 May 2014.
^ Chris Wright (20 March 2020). "Spanish flu spawned Benfica legend". The Portugal News.
^ "Béla Guttmann". Holocaust Memorial Day Trust.
^ Gardner, Paul (15 May 2014). "Brazen goalkeeper cheating helps Sevilla win Europa League". SoccerAmerica.
^ "Top 10 footballing hoodoos - Bela Guttmann curses Benfica". Goal.com.
^ "Rui Gomes da Silva: "A nossa ideia foi trazer Béla Guttmann para o estádio"" (in Portuguese). Record. 28 February 2014.

The curse manufactured by newspaper A Bola has been removed. SLBedit (talk) 22:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Honours (again)

@RicardoSilvaRDM: Since when the Iberian Cup is not a friendly competition? Why, in the media, no one cares about the Taça Ribeiro dos Reis? SLBedit (talk) 00:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

File:Sport_Lisboa_e_Benfica.flac sounds like a speech synthesizer, not a real person. I don't know whether it violates WP:NONFREE, but I don't think it's something we want in a Wikipedia article. Sol505000 (talk) 17:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The pronunciation is correct and it's my work. SLBedit (talk) 19:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

That could be the case, so thanks for the correction. Maybe I'm not very used to spoken European Portuguese. Sol505000 (talk) 19:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Adidas logo

@Håland10: Please stop adding Adidas logos.

Please read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_93#Kit_sponsor_or_not

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_71#Logos_on_kits

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_89#Logos

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_103#User_deleting_national_football_team_logos

Gustavo neto et. al. v. Walter Görlitz. SLBedit (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Pre-season squad

@ChicoSnow12: Please don't update the squad according to the pre-season call-up. Just because some players are training with the team during pre-season, it doesn't mean they will be part of the first-team squad when the new season actually begins, in August. SLBedit (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

[auto8-1] Alan McDougall (2020). Contested Fields; A Global History of Modern Football

[auto13-2] James Masters (4 December 2012). "Benfica and 'the curse of Bela Guttmann'". CNN.

[3] "Béla Guttmann and the curse of Benfica". 17 May 2014.

[auto4-4] Chris Wright (20 March 2020). "Spanish flu spawned Benfica legend". The Portugal News.

[auto3-5] "Béla Guttmann". Holocaust Memorial Day Trust.

[6] Gardner, Paul (15 May 2014). "Brazen goalkeeper cheating helps Sevilla win Europa League". SoccerAmerica.

[7] "Top 10 footballing hoodoos - Bela Guttmann curses Benfica". Goal.com.

[8] "Rui Gomes da Silva: "A nossa ideia foi trazer Béla Guttmann para o estádio"" (in Portuguese). Record. 28 February 2014.

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