Talk:S'gaw Karen language

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Region

What does "Throughout the Far East" mean as a "Region" within "Burma & Thailand"??? There are hundreds of S'gaw Karen speakers in the State of Washington (primarily southern King and northwestern Pierce counties), but since these are overwhelmingly very recent refugee arrivals, it doesn't make a lot of sense to include these in the Region where the language is spoken, which if that were reasonable might better be described as "Region: Throughout the Whole World". --Haruo (talk) 22:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale for moves

Recently, an editor Jaeminlovetaejoon moved/requested move the following articles

S'gaw Karen alphabet to Karen alphabet
S'gaw Karen language to Karen language after moving Karen languages to Karenic languages

However, no reason was given for the moves and there are many unsourced edits in these articles. What is the rationale for these moves? In my opinion, these edits need to provide a citation to a reliable source that directly supports it. Phyo WP (message) 01:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hope it works up Ehshee (talk) 06:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

S'gaw Karen language → Karen language – S'gaw Karen is a term that no one uses. When people talk about Karen language, they are referring to S'gaw Karen however it confuses people when they search for Karen language, Karenic languages will show up at the a answer but that's not what are they are looking for. Karenic languages is the family language that the Karen language fall into. There are many other Karenic languages such as Pa'O, Pwo, Bwe, etc. So we would like the page name to change to Karen language so it'll be less confusing when people search for Karen language (individual language and not the language which is Karenic languages). Jaeminlovetaejoon (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

{@Jaeminlovetaejoon and Vycl1994: The above request invokes WP:COMMONNAME, but I am not sure that the reasoning is sound. The Karenic languages as a language family are spoken by seven million people, per sources, while the S'gaw Karen language is the largest branch. To use an example with which I am more familiar, English language is distinct from American English, British English, Australian English, and others. It most definitely does not redirect to Indian English, although India is the largest nation by population which uses English. Vycl1994 (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think we'd need some proof that S'gaw Karen is a term that no one uses. The article cites a number of studies that use this term, so it has at least some currency. If it's not a common name, particularly with reference to this specific variety, this should be demonstrated before we accept that claim as true. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 18:18, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Phonology section is written in a way inconsistent to other articles

The phonology section of this article seems to be based on something like a phrasebook for English speakers, and falls outside the normal format used on language pages on Wikipedia. Rather than using the IPA as other language articles do, it attempts to describe Karen sounds in relation to English. This should be replaced with more accurate notes from an an academic linguistic source if one can be found.

Hkarenh (talk) 07:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source that I used for the phonology was a detailed work done by Karl Sarvestani at the State University of Buffalo. It is written specifically on the phonology, as well as an explanation of the past works regarding the phonology, showing the previous phonetic IPA transcriptions as well. The source is called “Aspects of Sgaw Karen phonology and phonetics”. Fdom5997 (talk) 00:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]