Talk:Ryan Williams (women's soccer)

A fact from Ryan Williams (women's soccer) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that North Carolina Courage teammates Ryan Williams and Cari Roccaro made training videos for other teammates to follow during socially distanced training?

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On 28 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ryan Williams (women's soccer, born 1996). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Ryan Williams (women's soccer) was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
June 8, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
July 8, 2024	Good article reassessment	Delisted

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Requested move 18 February 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to: Ryan Williams (women's soccer) and Ryan Williams (men's soccer, born 1996) respectively. — Amakuru (talk) 11:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:NCPDAB, using birth year to disambiguate article titles is not ideal, since readers are more likely to be seeking that info than to already know it. By extension, birth months seem even less likely to be known by the reader. It seems far more likely that the reader would know the gender of the person (especially for a soccer player, given how gender-segregated sports are), and fortunately, these two people happen to be different genders. IagoQnsi (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 18:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 19:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Using year of birth is actually standard, with month a common disambiguator - however that is in cases involving (for example) two male players. This is a different case and the suggestion here given we have a man and a woman is sensible. Giant Snowman 19:47, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, though Ryan Williams (women's soccer) is better for this one. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Very unnecessary disambiguation. Both players are soccer players and distinguishing them farther than nationality or birth makes the title unnecessarily longer than it needs to be. Just because they are both different genders, doesn't mean it's going to hard for readers to look up who the players are. We have Ryan Williams (disambiguation) for a reason. Plus, there are three other notable male soccer players named Ryan Williams. Should we have to disambiguate those as well? KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 01:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, as none of them were born in 1996. --BDD (talk) 14:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in principle, since we already have months as disambiguators in cases like this. I think (women's soccer) as suggested above might be a good disambiguator by itself, but would require consensus to be used going forward.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak for others, but I wouldn't recommend "women's soccer" as a common qualifier, just because it's more detail than is typically necessary. Most of the time, "soccer" or "footballer" will do. When we need more information, we often default to birth years (or months) because there's nothing better to use. But "women's soccer" is better, and if there are other cases where we need to disambiguate players of different genders like this, sure, I'd recommend it in those cases too. --BDD (talk) 15:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support! Definitely much clearer and much more WP:RECOGNIZABLE. But move Ryan Williams (soccer, born February 1996) to Ryan Williams (women's soccer). Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. If brevity is sought, then "women's" is slightly shorter than "February" and "men's" is slightly shorter than "October". Oppose the short form Ryan Williams (women's soccer) since it unbalances the analogous disambiguation style, thus causing one soccer player born in 1996 to be disambiguated by gender as well as by birth year, but another soccer player who was also born in 1996, to be disambiguated solely by gender. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support moving both, but agree with others that Ryan Williams (women's soccer) would do just fine for this article; don't see a need to additionally disambiguate by birth year even if the other article would be. —Will ^(B) 14:03, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that North Carolina Courage teammates Cari Roccaro and Ryan Williams made training videos for other teammates to follow during socially-distanced training? Source: "Roommates Cari Roccaro and Ryan Williams had spent hours preparing videos of the drills the day before to ensure they were ready to go when it was their time to use the field." and "Their preparation paid off as they were able to demonstrate the drill for their teammates on the other side of the field, over 70 yards away." North Carolina Courage

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hong Kong national security law
Comment: Forgot to mention this earlier, but can this hook be posted on June 27, when the 2020 NWSL Challenge Cup begins?

5x expanded by Nova Crystallis (talk). Self-nominated at 01:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

- Hook is interesting, cited within the article, and cited to a reliable source. Article is long enough, was expanded within the last seven days by more than 5x, QPQ done. Earwig flags a quote, but the quote is properly cited. Articles is not a COPYVIO. No obvious issues with article. Good to go. Hog Farm (talk) 03:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk · contribs) 00:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Overall: Pass
Pass/Fail:

Review

College career

In 2014, Williams' freshman year, she was converted to play as a defender,[3] played in 19 matches and started in 18., played twice too close together

Fixed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 17:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She recorded her first collegiate shot and shot on goal, what's the difference? Is the first shot important?

Removed, the debut was more important. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 17:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Club career

and Williams was released as a result, and she was allowed to continue training with the Courage, is there another word besides and that can be used?

Yeah. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you put ref 55 at the end of the On July 26, Williams participated in the 2018 Women's International Champions Cup, substituting on in the 61st minute against Paris Saint-Germain.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you expand a bit on Williams made her first start in the finals, leading to a 1–0 victory. I feel "Williams" is repeated too soon and an expansion would help.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Thanks for the review. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment

Ryan Williams (women's soccer)

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article fails criteria 3a "addresses the main aspects of the topic"; The "Club career" section has not been updated with any information since December 2020, meaning 90% of her professional appearances to date came after the dates covered in the article; this section is the most important since her professional soccer career is the reason she is notable. I also believe the article fails 3b "stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail", with over-reliance on primary sources from TCU's athletics website, and North Carolina Courage's official website. Joeykai (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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