Talk:Ryan Tubridy/Archive 1

Sycophantic detail

This article is tabloid in nature. Who is interested in knowing who Tubridy's grandparents were?. In reviewing Gay Byrne and Pat Kenny, similar chat show hosts, they do not refer to their parents or grandparents. Tubridy is not royalty, Fianna Fáil is not a royal dynasty and his bio is sycophantic and should be edited to reflect the individual, not his parents or grandparents or affiliations. His past association with current Government ministers is irrelevant. Is he married/divorced? as Bertie Ahern status is described in detail. Tayana 00:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add the family history, but I don't see exactly how it makes the article tabloidish: family connections are relevant points, though I agree his association with government ministers is irrelevant. While we're on the subject, I have now removed the remark He also claims ancestors all the way back to Adam and Eve as he is challenged and insecure numerous times from the article, and I will be severely peeved if I have to do so again. Whether or not the person who added this (if you're reading this) agrees with the elaboration of Tubridy's family connections, that sort of remark has no place in an article like this. You've made your point, now give up, please. Doshea3 20:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See the references notes: "He has no connection with pachyderms unlike Pat Kenny"- this statement should be removed as it's a scurrilous remark, possibly libellous?

It's obviously just vandalism. It's gone now. Rwxrwxrwx 18:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, I've been removing stuff like this for ages. Some people obviously have nothing better to do with themselves than write silly comments about Tubridy. Doshea3 21:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some further detail based upon what the man himself has said. It's not Adam and Eve and it doesn't relate to his origins or, going on below, his parents. --Candlewicke (Talk) 16:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tubridy's parents are irrelevant

Why is there a reference to Tubridy's parents. What possible relevance is it? Does Pat Kenny or Gay Byrne have their parents mentioned.? 194.46.177.54 (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are his parents and for some reason you apparently want to make it appear he is an orphan .It is irreverent whether another article doesn't mentions somebody's parents since each article stands on it's own merits .I'm sure I could find plenty of articles mentioning a persons parents if I went looking for that ground to support parents inclusion .

Apart from all that his parents are not listed in the opening where there is a quite a good justification to place that information but are a reference

Feel free to report me about it if you want .Garda40 (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please specify why Tubridy should have his parents listed, while Byrne and Kenny do not. Unless you can positively justify with precedent, then reversion is warranted.

Your comment "make it appear he is an orphan" is a personal attack on the integrity of another editor, in contravention of fundamental editorial principles.

If you "could find plenty of articles mentioning a persons parents" then list them here.

194.46.177.54 (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a personal attack I fail to understand why you are not reporting me for it .In fact I encourage you to report me for it .

Unless you can positively justify with precedent, then reversion is warranted.

Again I say It is irreverent whether another article doesn't mentions somebody's parents since each article stands on it's own merits but since you want some names I will give you some List_of_Irish_people,List_of_University_College_Dublin_people and that's just a small selection of Irish , yet alone worldwide , articles which in a lot of entries the parents are mentioned . Garda40 (talk) 01:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should we state that in the entries for Gay Byrne, that he had parents Mr & Mrs Byrne and Pat Kenny was a child of Mr & Mrs Kenny. To say that Ryan Tubridy had parents, not Mr & Mrs Tubridy, but Mr Tubridy and Miss Andrews, seems to be excessive. What is the significance of Tubridy's parents vis a vis Byrne and Kenny's parents.

Challenging an editor to report another for making relevant accurate edits, as detailed above, is a negation of editorial principles and is an implicit attack on another editor and is in contravention of policy. As such your edits are inappropriate and are reverted accordingly. 194.46.238.224 (talk) 01:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again I say it is irreverent whether another article doesn't mentions somebody's parents since each article stands on it's own merits.

You asked for examples and I even though I didn't need to give them to you I did

Challenging an editor to report another for making relevant accurate edits, as detailed above, is a negation of editorial principles and is an implicit attack on another editor and is in contravention of policy.

What that means I have no idea since you claim I insulted you and appear to say again that I insulted you and yet though I have no problem with you reporting me you appear to be taking no action. Garda40 (talk) 02:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tubridy's parents are not notable as they do not, as a minimum, have Wikipedia entries. Inserting their names as Tubridy and Andrews is banal and inappropriate. Garda40 is engaging in unacceptable behavior in inserting references to non notable entities and continuing to revert valid edits. Perhaps Garda40 can do articles on his parents, if he continues to propagate their noteriety.

194.46.251.245 (talk) 01:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You bring up an irrelevant point about somebody's parents needing to have their own entry to mention them in their son or daughter's bio .It is not practiced in any of the articles at List_of_Irish_people,List_of_University_College_Dublin_people and that's just a small selection of Irish , yet alone worldwide , articles which mention the parents .

Garda40 is engaging in unacceptable behavior in inserting references to non notable entities and continuing to revert valid edits.

As I have told you numerous times if you believe I am engaging in bad faith edits I have absolutely no problem with you reporting me to the appropriate authorities .Garda40 (talk) 01:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Garda40 has not explained why Tubridy's parents are notable. To use the mantra of "reporting me to the appropriate authorities" is a negation of editorial practice. Please state why Tubridy's parents are relevant and create an article about them in Wikipedia, if you wish to justify their inclusion.

22:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Please state why Tubridy's parents are relevant

Strange I have mentioned on this very talk page why they should be included and in relation to the other point I repeat again

You bring up an irrelevant point about somebody's parents needing to have their own entry to mention them in their son or daughter's bio .It is not practiced in any of the articles at List_of_Irish_people,List_of_University_College_Dublin_people and that's just a small selection of Irish , yet alone worldwide , articles which mention the parents .

To use the mantra of "reporting me to the appropriate authorities" is a negation of editorial practice.

It is only a mantra because even though you appear to be accusing me of bad faith edits you do not report me .If you had reported me after the first edit you may have considered done in bad faith then I wouldn't have had to repeat it.Garda40 (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"His parents are Patrick Tubridy and Catherine Andrews". Who are they? Are they notable in their own right or are they notable only for being Tubridy's parents, in which case they do not rate a mention. Was Tubridy born to unmarried parents? Can Garda40 explain his continuing interest in them? Otherwise their removal from article is warranted.

Octanis (talk) 23:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

are they notable only for being Tubridy's parents, in which case they do not rate a mention

Can you explain to me then how and why List_of_Irish_people,List_of_University_College_Dublin_people and that's just a small selection of Irish , yet alone worldwide , articles which mention the parents mention parents.And it is common practice in articles with parents names to mention the maiden name of both parents .

If there is a guideline or practice of not mentioning parents when they are known or how parents are not relevant information in a bio that appears in the lead paragraph in many articles but is only a footnote here please point it out to me . .Garda40 (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at a selection of List_of_Irish_people, List_of_University_College_Dublin_people shows that parents only are mentioned if they are or were in the same occupation or were otherwise notable usually in analogous fields as their child. Are either of Tubridy's parents involved in the media? or have they made notable contributions in any field.? Is their sole claim to a mention, that they are present here and now?.

Octanis (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you failed to provide any guideline or practice about not mentioning parents when they are known or even that they have to be in the same field as the child to be mentioned ( both claims I know that doesn't hold up in articles eg Emile Hirsch ,Andy Garica.Incidentally in both of those cases the information is in the lead paragraph.

The fact that you may have stumbled upon a coincidence in Irish celebrity articles that you checked that parents where mentioned are in similar fields etc is just that , a coincidence .It is not supported by by any policy or guideline even ones specifically for Irish articles . Garda40 (talk) 01:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the role of an individual editor to provide a "guideline or pactice" about notability. An individual editor will, based on the custom and practice in the editing of other articles, conclude, as I have concluded, that parents are relevant only if they are or were in the same occupation or were otherwise notable usually in analogous fields as their child. This is the case in the List_of_University_College_Dublin_people and your assertion that my assertion is just a coincidence in "have[ing] stumbled upon a coincidence in Irish celebrity" is disingenuous. Your edits are reverted accordingly. Octanis (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An individual editor will, based on the custom and practice in the editing of other articles, conclude, as I have concluded, that parents are relevant only if they are or were in the same occupation or were otherwise notable usually in analogous fields as their child.

I noticed you left out international celebrities and List_of_Irish_people and only invoke List_of_University_College_Dublin_people , a location where of course it is no surprise that parents may themselves have a wikipedia article or where parents may be in a similar field as their children.

As I have pointed out there is no guideline or practice that says parents should not be included .As other articles show eg Andy Garica the parents neither have to have their own article and/or be in the same field as the children to be mentioned .Garda40 (talk) 01:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Andy Garica relevant to Tubridy's parents. Garica's parents, per the article, overcame difficulties and prospered in difficult circumstances and are notable for this, rather than their coat tailing on their offspring, who himself is individually notable. Please compare Tubridy's parents with Garica's parents and indicate in the Tubridy article, why his parents are notable of their own right. Octanis (talk) 00:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]