Talk:Ruthenia/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Rus

Need merge with Rus' (region)--UeArtemis (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Foto

Foto states: Carpatho-Rusyn sub-groups - Transcarpathian Rusyns in original goral folk-costumes from Maramureş. Photo: Village Mokre near Sanok (Poland). 2007. But why do they wear trousers sharovary of Ukranian Cossack?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Kov (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

This is a concern. I would think that having a photo of people in Ukrainian folkloric costume from central Ukraine would be somewhat amiss here. Aren't there any photos of people in the traditional garb of the region? Bandurist (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

To cover their legs, of course. Plantagenet Palliser (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

An Ill constructed sentence

The following sentence

The English term Rusyn is now used to eat his nationality and language of the minority of Ruthenians who did not adopt a Ukrainian national identity, and their descendants.

obviously needs editing - I think I know what the author meant to say - I could edit it on that basis - but I would be guessing. Hopefully the author will do so his or herself.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.193.205 (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That particular re-imagining of that sentence was courtesy of an anonymous IP originating from the Boulder Valley School District. It has now been restored to its original wording. --Dynaflow babble 01:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Also the fact is that Rusyn is not a language and hardly a unique nationality. It has been proven. Those are just as any other Ukrainians. They simply believe that modern Ukrainian languaged assimilated itself greatly with Russian and they do not want to be related their northern neighbors or more than often they have a Hungarian blood. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Moreover, I want to add that no one even heard of such nationality. The term is invented by the outsiders. Rusyni were people who resided in Rus. The country does not exist any longer and the former Rusyni became Ukrainians if they lived in the Ukraine-Rus. There were also Bela-Rus and Moscow-Rus. Rusyni spoke Russian language, but diffrent from the one that it is spoken in Rossia. That language existed long before today's Russia appeared on the maps and in history. All of this discussion about Rusyn is silly as there is no such nationality. Comparing people of Zakarpattia to Vojvodina is also pointless and groundless. On personal note, I want to add, that my great grand father spoke in the language what today is called as "Rusyn language", but he never thought that he was of a diffrent nationality. Today's Ukrainian language has assimilated with the Rossian very closely, but hopefully that will diminishes in several years. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Article needs a bit of consistency(Help needed.)

The summary of the article mentions that Ruthenia covered what is now Belarus, Russia, Ukraine and parts of Poland. There is even a historically accurate Kievan Rus map. But in the Modern age it skips any reference to modern Russia? Can anyone help with that? And another thing. Why is the modern age refer to ethnic groups and not countries, since the article is not on ethnic group, but on a region/country. --Jalexoid (talk) 12:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

• I shortened an endless gallery of rusyn national costumes. The article is not about modern rusyns, but about the medieval geographic term. One image of a group of rusyns shall remain in the Rusyn paragraph, not in the intro.Garret Beaumain (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why do not know yourself history all nationality which Ruthenia did descent from and neither they did not translate this page to your languages. Rusyns speak ancient languague and they are original tribe and I wonder why there are dispute about nationality and language. This is true about Rusyns too, when we have huge oportunity preserve culture heritage the biggest state in Europe their time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.24.203.241 (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC) Take this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Lithuania —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.24.203.241 (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Very doubtful recent change

I presume this recent anonymous edit is at least partly wrong, but there are no relevant citations and I don't know this aspect of the subject well (I don't know any significant amount of Polish). The linking of Galicia–Volhynia to Kingdom of Galicia seems reasonable enough, but I am almost certain that the linking of Ruś Halicka and Ruś Czerwona to Galicia (Spain) is incorrect. I am quite certain that Ruś could only refer to the Central European Galicia, not the Spanish one. - Jmabel | Talk 03:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• Now reverted, in any case. - Jmabel | Talk 14:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Offensive portrayal of Ukraine

The section describing the origin of Ukraine is highly offensive and not factually supported. It portrays Ukraine to have somehow been invented in the 19th century(!), which happens to correspond to the Imperial Russian propaganda that all slavic people are Russian, and the Ems Ukaz which tried to eliminate any and all literary use of the Ukrainian language. To those of you who speak Russian, just watching this should be enough to make my point.--BoguSlav 17:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree it is a propaganda, Ukraine is the land of Lithuanian speaking Scythians who like and nowadays Lithuania changed Lithuanian languages for russobulgarian language just after christianisation of Kiev (before this Kiev had another name - Kaunegard, like and 2nd biggest city in todays Lithuania Kaunas)...moreover Ukraine literally translates to Lithuanian language as Galicia (the last or the end or the edge land).

confusing!

And there I was thinking Ruthenia and Ruthenians referred to that part of Czechoslovakia incorporated into the USSR after WW2. This squabble, sorry, article, reminds me of the many Bangladeshi Sylhetis who refer to anyone from the UK as 'Londoners'.LoL1812ahill (talk) 19:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Kiev Rus was empire as other big states

Even in their own history annals it is written that two parts (Novgorod and Kiev) were separated by Lithuanian speaking tribes reaching upper Volga and Don (today they call it Belarus-Smolensk-Mozhaisk or Krivichi). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.116.156 (talk) 12:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually we have to talk here about two Rus states: Kiev in the south and Novgorod in the north (Novgorod had and russian speaking Moscovites)...and later Moscovites took the legacy of these two Rus states, however Moscovites even were not Rus people, but russian-bulgarian speaking people...their tsar Petr I renamed them as Rus because he wanted to occupy all former Kiev and Novgorod Rus land and even more...Rus became slavic speaking people just after christianisation in bulgaro-volgaro-russian language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.116.156 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)