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On 30 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Northern Fleet (Russia). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Disambiguated

I am well aware that both Soviet Red Banner Northern Fleet and Russian Northern Fleet currently link to the same page, but I have an article about the Russian one in the making. kallemax 07:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been superceded. As a look at history versions of Talk:Russian Northern Fleet will show, the fleet saw no significant changes in 1991-93 and is the same fleet now as it was then. Buckshot06 (talk) 01:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Totally concur with proposal to merge pre-Soviet, Soviet, and post-Soviet histories of the Northern Fleet. All readers best served with a single continuous rendering of history.Федоров (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong coordinates

According to Google Earth, the displayed coordinates in the upper right corner place the Northern Fleet just north of Finnmark county in Norway. Clearly something is wrong. Ximalas (talk) 10:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Northern Fleet official shoulder patch

The shoulder patch current appearing in this article is NOT the one currently in use. The current shoulder patch is round and carries a stylized depiction of the Aurora Borealis and the ribbon of the Red Banner award.Moryak (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Petsamo (Pechenga) and the Winter War

The article asserts that "The Northern fleet blocked the Finnish military base at Petsamo through the Winter War of 1939 and 1940." This is a rather curious statement since 1) there was no military base in Petsamo before the Winter War, only a detachment of border guards; 2) Russian ground forces occupied Petsamo at the very beginning of the Winter War, so there was certainly no Finnish base there DURING the war. It would be interesting to know where the above statement derives from. --Death Bredon (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

May 13th, 1984 blast

Maybe I did not read carefully enough, there seems to be no mention of the major accident that occurred, see the following: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/11/world/soviet-naval-blast-called-crippling.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.77.225.24 (talk) 04:56, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Update 2020 - Order of Battle

I have tried to bring the Order of Battle Section for the Northern Fleet up-to-date with the amendments and reorganization based on the most recent source information - at least that which is available in English. The section is not fully up-to-date, but most major units are now noted. Happy to adjust where there may be errors or more up-to-date information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.98.230 (talk) 20:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. per WP:SNOW. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Fleet → Northern Fleet (Russia) – There are more than one article with this name: Northern Fleet (Iran), Northern Fleet (English Navy), Northern Fleet (video game) and this article is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Pahlevun (talk) 09:55, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Primary topic. The English one is a redirect, the Iranian one is a handful of vessels and the video game is obscure. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Iranian formation was as of the 1740s, as powerful as its Russian counterpart in the Caspian. Pahlevun (talk) 19:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. But was it actually called the Northern Fleet? In any case, nowhere near as well-known in the English-speaking world as the Russian one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Necrothesp. It's almost as famous as the Red Army, and none of the namesakes comes close to its prominence. No such user (talk) 12:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Russian Northern Fleet is the best known and thus the primary topic. JIP | Talk 22:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Russian Northern Fleet is the primary topic, naturally since it is a large and important fleet belonging to a great power and has been for like 200 years. The Iranian Northern Fleet has been important but isn't now, does not belong to a great power, is landlocked, and is small. which is why it (in addition to not being European) it is less known. The video game and medieval English fleet are very obscure, and the old Northern Fleet military district is pretty much tied to the Northern Fleet.

I made a disambig page and added a hatnote for it to the top of this article, and that should be sufficient IMO. Herostratus (talk) 05:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose If it needs disambiguation, it should be moved to Northern Fleet (Russia and Soviet Union). —Michael Z. 19:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - primary topic, and if moved, Russia is an awful dab term. For most of its history the fleet has been a unit of the Soviet Union, which is not an equivalent term with 'Russia'. Spokoyni (talk) 05:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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