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On 25 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Russell Martin to Russell Martin (baseball). The result of the discussion was moved.

Third base

Russell Martin is not a Third Basement. He is the emergency Third-basement. He only played their because nomar got injured.Ramgar11 (talk)May, 2, 2008

Incorrect. First, it is a Third Baseman, not a Third Basement. Second, Torre has said that Martin will be making several starts at Third instead of sitting out of games to rest. In fact, today is Martin's first start at Third. http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080502&content_id=2627891&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.245.30 (talk) 01:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That does not make him a third baseman. His primary position is still catcher and that is what his position should be listed at. He may make an occasional appearance at third.. But he is going to play the position enough for it to be mentioned as a primary position. Spanneraol (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course his primary position is catcher. That is not the point. He will be regularly playing third, which warrants a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.245.30 (talk) 01:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He won't be regurly playing third. He will catch most to almost all the games he plays. playing third is a 5-10 times a season thing. just like Posada or victor Martinez playing first Ramgar11 (talk)may, 5, 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 02:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According the Dodgers website, he will likely play more like 20-25 games a year at third. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.245.30 (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

do you have a source —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.32.18 (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read the Dodgers' website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.252.211 (talk) 01:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still doesn't make him a third baseman. He plays 130 games at catcher and 20 at third.. he's still a catcher...not a third baseman. Spanneraol (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He is a catcher, but he is also a third baseman. That is why you put the slash there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.252.252 (talk) 21:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, you don't list every position someone plays in a game in the info box.. you only list the positions that they play a significant amount of games at. Martin has played only six games at third this season and will likely not play many more there now that they have brought up Andy LaRoche to back up DeWitt. Spanneraol (talk) 22:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Russell Martin/GA1

Signing with the Yankees

Our wiki article currently says: "After the Dodgers declined to raise his salary, he signed with the Yankees for less than the Dodgers had offered him and succeeded Jorge Posada as the Yankees' everyday catcher."

But the section of the wiki article on his signing with the Yankees, currently shows that Martin signed with the Yankees for a larger amount than the Dodgers had offered. Our wiki article is contradicting itself. Which one is it? Did he sign with the Yankees for more than the Dodgers offered? Or for less than the Dodgers offered? 99.253.240.230 (talk) 02:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was just reading this article and also noticed the above contradiction. It's quite confusing. I wish someone "in the know" could fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.179.235 (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look into it. I have this on my list of articles to fix up and nominate for GA. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WBC Selection and Incorporation

I recently have been trying to add WBC participation for players in the infoboxes. I started a discussion on the baseball project page. Please join and discuss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#WBC_Selection_and_Incorporation Arnabdas (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image alignment

The MOS is pretty vague. I've been around for a while now, and never heard of it until today. It's seems clear to me that the alignment of images is up to the discretion of editors, and not a policy of "only align right / only align left". The photos aligned left move the text awkwardly to accommodate the images, which I believe hinders readability. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 17:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Location says, "In most cases, images should be right justified on pages, which is the default placement." But it also says, "It is often preferable to place images of people so that they "look" toward the text." That would clearly seem to qualify as one of the few cases where images should be placed on the left, if that's the direction in which the person's face will be facing toward the text. But Trut-h-urts man disagrees, and I really don't understand why, so rather than edit war, I'm wanting to see what some other people think about which direction the images in this article should be facing. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 17:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to point out, the second sentence of the linked section even comes right out and says (bolded for emphasis), "If an exception to the general rule is warranted, |left can be used." --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"If an exception to the general rule is warranted" implies (to me) that, as the editor making the change, the onus is on you to prove that there should be an exception, and I don't believe you've done that. The idea that all images must be placed so that the subject is facing the text is absurd, which is why, in my opinion, this MOS section is written in a way that leaves it open to interpretation. There is no clear rule, just suggestions. I don't believe there was an issue with image placement before, so I also don't believe there needs to be a change. To put it succinctly, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 18:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea

The article reads that Martin was born in Toronto and grew up in Montreal. This is not entirely true. He actually lived in a small town in the National Capital Region named Chelsea, Quebec while visiting his dad in Montreal. After a stint in France he returned to Montreal as an adolescent. I've added this info to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.245.159 (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Russell Martin

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Russell Martin's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "GG":

From List of Gold Glove Award winners at catcher: "A-Rod breaks Vizquel's streak; AL West earns eight of nine". Sports Illustrated. Associated Press. November 13, 2002. Retrieved May 26, 2009.
From Clayton Kershaw: Dilbeck, Steve (November 1, 2011). "Dodgers' Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and Clayton Kershaw all Golden". LA Times. Retrieved August 23, 2013.
From Rawlings Gold Glove Award: "A-Rod breaks Vizquel's streak; AL West earns eight of nine". Sports Illustrated. Associated Press. November 13, 2002. Archived from the original on 9 January 2014. Retrieved May 26, 2009.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Martin → Russell Martin (baseball) – Doubtful this article meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC anymore since Russell Martin (footballer) could also be equally or better known person with the same name. The pageviews analysis (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Russell_Martin|Russell_Martin_(footballer)) can be seen as evidence. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support the footballer has 9,110 views, the radio personality has 3,382 and the American footballer has 21 (though his article doesn't say his name is "Russell" though) compared with only 2,946[[1]] for the baseballer. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - looks interesting given you've pointed out Russ Martin (American football). I think that "Russell Martin" should be the base name with "Russ Martin" redirecting and the radio personality Russ Martin --> Russ Martin (radio) or similar. Also doubting Russ Martin is the primary topic. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 20:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and Crouch, Swale. Also support creation of a Russell Martin disambiguation page that would list Russ Martin, Russell Martin (baseball) as well as Russell Martin (footballer). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, create DAB at base name.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would likewise support Russ Martin → Russ Martin (radio) / Russ Martin (radio personality) or Russ Martin (talk radio host) per various qualifiers under Category:American talk radio hosts, thus indicating that his entry is not primary over that of Russ Martin (American football). As a result, Russ Martin could serve as a redirect to the proposed Russell Martin disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.