Talk:Rushmore (film)

References

The budget info, like the rest of the Technical data, was taken from IMDb. [1] -- LGagnon 00:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems like it might be time to start referencing our data? I was able to find this site with a reference to the Brand New song fact that we need a reference for, but even though it looks like a news article, it's a student paper.--Hurtstotouchfire 09:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Miss Cross and the ending

I do not agree with this article's suggestion that the film concludes with Max accepting his relationship with Miss Cross as a friendship. In fact, I would argue the counter. The movie is essentially what Max portrays it to be. It is his "play." He, in my opinions, "ends up" with Miss Cross given the ending. I think the article should be less specific about the ending and its meaning and slightly more open to other perspectives. Opinions? Abacab 06:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely disagree. the movie is not what max "portrays it to be" the film is about his coming of age and independence as a man. At the end of the film he has matured and accepted his natural role in life as an artist, and a young man. He has margaret chang. he is friends with blume again. and he takes rosemary's hand and dances with her as an acceptance and a farewell to all the previous troubles. he even sets up blume and rosemary in the audience and trys to put them back together by having blume try and build the aquarium again for her as a reconciliation. VanTucky 06:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right that Max matures and accepts a great deal, but there's a definite indication of the same old manipulative Max when he has the DJ put on a specially chosen and especially sentimental song (save lyrics) for his dance with Miss Cross. Certainly, scheming to reconcile Blume with Cross indicates that he does not intend to pursue her (and hence I disagree with the Abacab that he "ends up" with Cross), I think this subtle touch (directing the DJ) indicates that Max will never fully "accept his role in life". If he did, there would be no hope for any of us. But more pertinently, with respect to editing, the claim that Max accepts his relatinoship with Cross as Platonic is someone's personal interpretation and not factual. (And by the way, it's 'Yang', not 'Chang'. God, watch the movie! :) ) 82.45.161.53 20:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The list of extracurricular activities

I'm removing it for the second time. While it might be interesting to fans of the film, there's really no reason for it to be in this article (Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information). Please present an argument for why it should be included before reinserting it. Pele Merengue 17:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm a newby - trying to learn - and this page is the first I have edited

I hope I have added content that is interesting, but really need some feedback. I'd like to become a valued contributor, so any constructive criticism of what I've done so far will be welcomed by me. I also intend to spend time reading various tutorials..... Any comments you have to help would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin1231 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Headlines

• A Real Buddy Picture
• Love! Valor! And Hair Gel!
• Class Clowns
• Most Likely to Succeed? Or Annoy?
• Tightening the Knot on the Old School Tie
• An Original at Ease in the Studio System
• Bill Murray, In All Seriousness
• My Private Screening With Pauline Kael
• The 50 best high school movies: Nos. 25-21
• Class Struggle
• Teacher's Pet
• Rushmore - Chicago Sun-Times review
• Rushmore - Rolling Stone magazine review

- Here are some links to articles and reviews to help beef up this article.--J.D. (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

• The Road Wes Traveled
• The Delicate Delinquent

- another article to use.--J.D. (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Influence on popular culture

This section is unsourced and in list form. I've moved it here until it can be cited properly and placed in the appropriate sections in the article.--J.D. (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

• The video for the song "Stupid Kid" by Alkaline Trio is an homage to the movie.
• "Sic Transit Gloria... Glory Fades" is the name of a Brand New song on the album Deja Entendu. The song title is a line from the movie.
• Metal group Every Time I Die have a song entitled "She's My Rushmore" from their 2003 album Hot Damn!. "She's my Rushmore, Max" is a line from the movie.
• Give Up the Ghost has a song called "I Saved Latin", referencing a line from the movie.
• The album Take This to Your Grave by Fall Out Boy includes a song called "Tell That Mick He Just Made My List Of Things To Do Today", referencing a line of Max Fischer's, although the quote in the movie is actually "...that stupid mick...". The band has also toured under the codename Saved Latin.
• Guitarist Frank Iero from My Chemical Romance has said Rushmore to be his favorite movie, and the video for the band's song "I'm Not Okay (I Promise)" is inspired by the movie, notably the school setting and almost identical jackets worn by the band.
• The Australian alternative rock band Kisschasy have a song entitled With Friends Like You, Who Needs Friends? on their 2005 album United Paper People. The title is a reference to a line from Rushmore.
• The band The Decemberists video for single Sixteen Military Wives appears to take stylistic and thematic cues from Rushmore, including a whimsical, humorous plot satirising American imperialism using school societies and descriptive captions similar to those used in the film.
• The video for Motion City Soundtrack's debut single, The Future Freaks Me Out, is based on the movie's school play finale.
• The video for Company of Thieves' "Oscar Wilde" is largely influenced by Rushmore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 17.103.181.229 (talk) 18:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

References

Homages and connections with other Anderson films

This section is unsourced and in list form. I've moved it here until it can be cited properly and placed in the appropriate sections in the article.--J.D. (talk) 19:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• The famous shot of Max sitting on the go-kart used in the "Making Time" montage is based on a photograph by Jacques Henri Lartigue. Anderson would later reference Lartigue's
• The penciled-in quote inside a book Max is reading is Diving for Sunken Treasure by Jacques-Yves Cousteau and Philippe Diote: "When one man, for whatever reason, has the opportunity to lead an extraordinary life, he has no right to keep it to himself". In Anderson's later film, The Life Aquatic, the main character Steve Zissou is a parody of and homage to Jacques-Yves Cousteau.
• The Vince Guaraldi Trio's version of "Hark, The Herald Angels Sing" appears in Rushmore. "Christmastime Is Here", also from A Charlie Brown Christmas, and performed by the Vince Guaraldi Trio, is in Anderson's film The Royal Tenenbaums.
• In the scene where Max meets Rosemary, he is carrying the book, The Powers That Be by David Halberstam, an account of the rise of journalistic media to political power.
• In the scene where Max buys the dynamite, he holds an ID up to the salesman and says, "And could you make the order out to Ready Demolition, Tucson, Arizona?" This is the same line delivered by Val Kilmer's character when purchasing explosives in the 1995 Michael Mann film Heat. The film is also referenced during Max's production of Serpico, when the actor portraying Serpico snaps his fingers while saying "That you're gonna follow this thing all the way to the end...of the line...where I got to be." Not only is this line almost identical to a line spoken by Al Pacino in Heat, but Al Pacino also portrayed Serpico himself in the 1973 film.
• The surf board seen in the background of the war play is an homage to Robert Duvall's character in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now, as was the play's character named "Surfboy," also paying homage to the character of Lance in Coppola's film.
• Hal Ashby's Harold and Maude was a big influence on the film's look and tone, as well as Mike Nichols' The Graduate.
• The font used throughout the film is Futura, in particular, Futura Bold. Anderson also used it extensively in Bottle Rocket and in his subsequent films.
• In the scene where Max is notified of his academic probation, Max asks "can't you let me float by, for old time sake", to which Dr. Guggenheim replies "can't do it, Max." This is a reference to a scene from The Godfather, where Tessio, realizing that it's been discovered he was the traitor, asks "Tom, can you let me off the hook, for old time sake", to which Tom Hagen replies "can't do it, Sally."
• When Max walks into Rosemary's classroom for the first time the book she is reading is Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson.

is this film

set anywhere in partic? max meets mrs blume in a kinda big city. just wondering. n-dimensional §кakkl€ 19:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

No. kollision (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Reference #6

Is 404'ed. I don't want to remove the link, as #6 is use several times throughout the article. I did try to (very briefly) to find it again, w/ out any luck. I guess if I ever get back around to this article I'll delete it. Greg343 (talk) 08:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

uni work

Hello. We are a group at university that will be editing the page for a while if that's okay. Please get in touch if you have any advice regarding what needs to be improved, or if you feel the edits we have made are inappropriate. Ml15118 (talk) 13:30, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rushmore (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Abryn (talk · contribs) 03:38, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

So long as the information is sourced in the body of the article, you should not need to source anything in the lead.

Y Removed sources from the lead.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul Schiff is mentioned in the lead, but not the body, nor is his involvement sourced.

Y Not much information about his involvement, but I have added that he produced the film in the "Production" section.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Cast section is unsourced.

Mark Mothersbaugh is mentioned in the lead, but not the body, nor is his involvement sourced.

Same deal as Mark and Paul for Robert Yeoman, David Moritz, Touchstone Pictures, and American Empirical Pictures.

Mark Mothersbaugh was removed from the lead, but I wonder if it is necessary to source each and every participant in the film in the cast, cinematography, music, editing department, etc. It is generally accepted on Wikipedia without explicit need to source this kind of info. FA like Fight Club, for instance, do not need sources of Brad Pitt and Edward Norton starring in the film. Same goes for Pride & Prejudice, as well.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

My thinking is that, for the cast for instance, I wonder what the process of picking one actor and not another is. As in, what is the cutoff? - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 14:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I do not know, and I would wish not to be sucked into the discussion on this particular issue just as an example. I am willing to source some supporting cast in the article, though, and hopefully that would do it.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

"when Disney denied the director a $75,000 shot of Max and Mr. Blume riding in a helicopter, Murray gave Anderson a blank check to cover the cost, although ultimately the scene was never shot." Not a criticism, I just find this fact really cool.

A little too much quoting in the Reception section, try to paraphrase some of this stuff more, okay?

Y Paraphrased the film critics, hope it is better now.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm willing to concede on the Cast issue; everything else however seems fine. Nice work. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 02:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Abryn: Thank you for the review! Much appreciated.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 15:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)