Talk:Rumbold of Mechlin

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There was going to be a problem with the redirection of 'Saint Rombout' towards this former article 'Rumold':

The usual English name for Dutch 'Rombout' is 'Rumbold'; for Latin and Dutch 'Rumoldus' is 'Rumold'. I think 'Rombaut' is either French or a misspelling, not belonging in the English language Wikipedia.
It looks silly to see 'For the cartographer, see Rumold Mercator' when clicking on a 'Saint Rombaut' link.
As just about any other saint, his name has been given to thousands of people, some of which are well-known. Soon we will have to put an endless list of 'For the ... Rombout ..., see Rombout ...' – imagine 'Saint Paul' redirecting to an article 'Paul'.

I suggest moving the content of this article to 'Saint Rumbold', redirection from 'Saint Rombout' to such; 'Rumold' (if such a [disambiguity] page would exist, saying 'For the saint, see Saint Rumbold'. -- SomeHuman 2006-06-15 16:08 (UTC) [words in bold italics modified, see my next paragraph]

After looking at advanced Google stats when choosing English language, on 'Rumbold', 'Rumold' and other names mentioned, briefly inspecting some of the appearing articles, and sources quoted in the article, moved from 'Rumbold' (incl. my above 'talk') to newly created article 'Saint Rumbold' (and its talk page); the mentioning of the cartographer is here for a now even more obvious reason left out. -- SomeHuman 2006-06-15 17:33 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks for doing that. --Polylerus 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Your most welcome, Polylerus, especially as you're the initiator and only author of the 'Rumold' article before my intervention. -- SomeHuman 2006-06-16 01:00 (UTC)

Rumwold of Buckingham
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There is no source indicated that allows connecting Rumbold of Mechelen with Rumwold of Buckingham. The latter became mentioned at top:
Not to be confounded with Saint Rumwold (of Buckingham)
For its entire lack of referencing (and -according to referenced sources- Rumwold's burial place being far from that of Rumbold or at least his place of death and his relics, different celebration days, Rumwold apparently never having gone to the continent see e.g. Three Eleventh-Century Anglo-Latin Saints' Lives, page 140 (Part: Vita S Rumwoldi, edited and translated by Rosalind C. Love) on Google Books), the following text was removed from the article:

"Also listed in Brackley history as: St Rumbold was a legendary child prodigy from the royal families of Mercia and Northumbria. According to a 10th century document, at his birth, in Kings Sutton, he is supposed to have spoken at length on Christianity. Later he foretold of his death and his wish to rest for two years at Brackley before being buried at Buckingham. His resting-place at Brackley is the site of the well"
And of course from 'External links':
*Brackley Town Council Guide

*About Brackley
See also the section 'Dublin' hereunder
▲ SomeHuman 2011-07-04 22:47-01:54 (UTC)
Dublin
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The paintings on wood of the life and miracles of St. Rumbold had been in a chapel that was demolished shortly after an attack in April 1580 at which the governor of Brussels, Olivier van den Tympel, helped by the military forces of the English colonel John Norrits and the Scottish captain Stuart, defeated the Mechlinian Civil Guard. Sixty people were killed, notably when the English plundered cloisters, churches and private properties. Several of the St. Rumbold pannels would have been damaged and some would have been stolen. This is assumed to explain the presence of two pannels now in Dublin.
I assume that the named 'John Norrits' was in fact John Norreys. Though the latter's article mentions Mechelen only for a 1593 siege and neighbour village Rijmenam in 1578, he definitely stayed in the Low Countries in 1580. Quote from the article: "essentially as a mercenary, he boosted the morale in the Protestant armies and became famous in England. The morale of his own troops depended on prompt and regular payment by the States General for their campaign, and Norreys gained a reputation for forceful leadership." (Who has been writing History there? In the Low Countries, the episode is called the Engelse Furie - the 'English furious outburst', considered mad violence.) Norreys was summoned to Dublin in 1585 (and after more adventures returned to Ulster in 1595).
Might some WP editor (or his unmentioned source) have assumed that these two St. Rumbold pannels being there, indicated some connection with Rumwold of Buckingham? That's not exactly very Irish. Perhaps the panels have once unjustly been seen as an indication that St. Rumbold of Mechelen was a bishop of Dublin. That highly questionable claim is now (by myself) sourced in the article, but that source does not specify the origin of the claim.
▲ SomeHuman 2011-07-05 03:32-05:45 (UTC)