Talk:Royal Challengers Bangalore/Archive 1

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Royal Challengers Bangalore is/are

My understanding is that since the team is singular, the first line of the article should read "The Royal Challengers Bangalore is a..." But then the source has a clear note that says "is" is wrong. Thoughts?sudhanva (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

2008 IPL Season

Can the user Ammrg explain to everyone how this previous description of the season resembles a newspaper article, or personal opinion? I will now cite exactly what was written before:

Despite the large amount of money spent and buzz around the team, the franchise experienced some turbulent times very early on in its existence. << THERE IS NO PERSONAL OPINION HERE, THE TEAM STRUGGLED

(Reply) The above statement about "large amount of money", "turbulent times" and "buzz" is your speculation and not a fact.

(Reply-Akhilmago) Speculation? Paying almost 112 million in franchise fees, and more than 4 million on players isn't "a large amount of money"? Is this speculation? If it is, then saying things like "The team was not very successful" (as you wrote in the article) is speculation too. Whats the definition of successful? You are being too picky.

(Reply-Akhilmago) "Turbulent times" ... again hows is this based on personal speculation? The author of this article - and many others - agree that the Royal Challengers, from the tournament's start have had a horrible time (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/story/350817.html)

(Reply-Akhilmago) Again, "buzz", this article here.. written from the point of view of someone at the first RCB game concurs with the "buzz" around the team, and further supports that it is not a case of personal speculation.. in fact he uses precisely the same choice of words i did. (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/story/346964.html)

Thats not the way how Wikipedia works, buddy. Here we try to present facts and not fiction. A "large amount of money" is a relative term, and what do you exactly mean by "buzz" (did they have honey bees buzzing over their head?) and "turbulent times" (their plane experienced turbulence?)? Such words should be best avoided in an encyclopedia.

Alright then, you have written in the current article "The team was not very successful". What defines 'success'? Was the team not successful because they didn't make the playoffs? why does that define success? I can use your argument for anything you have written. What if success was defined as having 4 or more wins? Doesn't that mean the team was successful? Explain... please

The team won only 3 of its first 12 matches in the Inaugural IPL Season. << THIS IS A FACT

(Reply) Agreed.

(Reply-Akhilmago) OK

In addition, the composition of the team was heavily criticized for resembling a Test Team more than a Twenty20 squad. As a result of these issues, the CEO of the team, Charu Sharma was unceremoniously sacked only months into his position.[7] << ALSO A FACT, WITH A SOURCE CITED

(Reply) Who criticised the team as a Test team? AFAIK, the only person whose comments could be of value, Vijay Mallya supposedly told "my friends told me it is a test team". You cannot call that a heavy criticism, thats an observation which cannot be attributed as a cause for the team's failures.

(Reply-Akhilmago) "http://www.ac tion8cricket.com/cricket_article-chennai_superkings_vs_bangalore_royal_live-1385.htm"

"http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/story/347845.html"

(Reply-Akhilmago) Both the above articles articulate that the RCB resembles a test team, along with Vijay's comments. Again .. this must be my personal opinion, right? Ridiculous...

An opinion of one newspaper does not have weight-age to get included into the article. For example, you can say the contrary that the team had good U-19 players and successful T20 (ODI) players like Misbah, Virat, Dale Steyn. How do you then say it is a Test Team?

Opinions of people (analysts) who cover the sport are clearly relevant. They are the body of knowledge in the sport of cricket.. despite what you think, they know more about the sport than people like you and me. Stating something to the effect of "Analysts critisized the team for resembling a test squad" is a statement of fact and can be eviidenced by newspaper srticles (despite the fact I did not cite a newspaper article), online articles, etc from reputable sources. I have proved that at least one source - cricinfo, probably the biggest body of knowledge - expressed the opinion that they resembles a test squad. I agree my opinion does not matter, however those of professionals do. What, we shouldn't use doctor's, scientests.. etc opinions in wikipedia articles? Its the same bloody thing. Nothing I wrote was of personal opinion.

The owner of the franchise, Vijay Mallya later blamed team captain Rahul Dravid as one of the main causes of the team's poor performance. Mallya cited Dravid's poor captaincy, his inability to adapt to the T-20 format and differences between them over team selection during the player auction. The team eventually failed to enter the semifinals. << A FACT WHICH CAN EASILY BE CITED, DETAILS REASONS WHY THE TEAM HAD PROBLEMS INTERNALLY

(Reply) This has been taken care of already in the article.

(Reply-Akhilmago) Perhaps it has ... but your description is poorly articulated and really provides no insight.

Ehm, no. We cannot get emotional here and put in emotional terms. We are not newspaper journalists here, we are writing an encyclopedia with cited sentences. Not our own personal view of the whole thing!!! -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits}

On top of the team's poor performance, the team also had their struggles off the field. On 16 May 2008, it was reported that Praveen Kumar, one of the team's strike bowlers, physically assaulted a doctor in his hometown of Meerut. It is alleged that at the time, Praveen was inebriated and being very difficult. Charges have yet to be imposed by the BCCI. [8] <<DESCRIBES ANOTHER ASPECT OF THEIR SEASON THAT HAMPERED THEM, IT IS CITED

(Reply) What Praveen Kumar did is his personal issue, how does it affect Royal Challengers? If Praveen was sacked or reprimanded for this incident by the RCB bosses, then the incident becomes relevant. Till then, this article is not the place for it.

(Reply-Akhilmago) You don't think that a players problems off-field effects a team? Do you think they were happy that he did what he did? You don't think, at some level.. be it team morale, chemistry, etc the team is effects? What if the BCCI imposed a punishment? still no detrimental effect on the team?

Sorry, Your response does not deserve a reply from me. All I can say is that you do not know the difference between an encyclopedia and a newspaper article

okay.. you just don't know anything about sports in general

your description of the season provides no insight whatsoever. Refer yourself to other sports teams' pages.. i'll give you one from every major sport: Manchester United, Toronto Raptors, Boston Bruins, Miami Dolphins. note how all their seasons, or timeframes have a detailed description of their performances and reasons for such performance.

if you are going to change up the description of the season, put something up that provides some sort of insight, instead of limiting you discussion to "the team struggles, CEO was fired". the same goes for your edits to the Chargers' page (and I didn't even write that description).

(Reply) Read up WP:NPOV. I do agree that some more details could go into the seasons section. But only absolute facts should make it to the article, not speculations like "the team looked like a test team, hence it lost all matches", "he team had lot of buzz but faced turbulent times"; such statements are subjective and debatable and hence good in your blog, not in wikipedia. I am waiting for the season to get over before starting to add statistics related to the team in the 2008 season which will provide insights into the teams failures and which would be factual. -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 09:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

(Reply-Akhilmago) I've read Wikipedia's guidelines and are in accordance with them. You need to realize that there is a body of knowledge outside of basic statistics (which you seem to be consumed by) that can be used to describe the season. The statistics are the end result of problems that were inherent in the team's composition, chemistry and internal relationships (or lack thereof).

I am sorry, you need to know a lot more about how to write an article in Wikipedia. All your responses above are tinged towards emotions rather than facts. I can be of help if you need. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 05:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No thanks. If i want to be a control freak on these articles and write subsections in poor english, I will solicite your help.

I don't have time at the moment to contribute to the discussion about the content of the page, but I suggest that these pages might be useful for both of you: Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:Editor assistance. BTW, remember to sign your posts with 4 tildas (and this goes for every place in the discussion that you post a reply). Juwe (talk) 14:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

NEW NOTE: Please leave Shivnarine Chanderpaul in the roster because according to an insider in the Royal Challengers camp, Chanderpaul decided not to play in IPL 2 because of its conflict with the tour against England. He had decided in early 2009 that he would not play in order to focus on the West Indian tour of England. However, he is still contracted to the Royal Challengers until 2011, although he will not recieve his fees for IPL 2.

Points column

I have removed points column from the season table for following reasons-

1. There's no information or indication on what kind of system IPL will use in the league stage.

2. Even if IPL does use standard points system, there's no relevance of writing points won in every match in the season table. This part can be and should be covered by the main season article, 2008 Indian Premier League. LeaveSleaves (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Why not Bengaluru?

I thought the name of the city had changed in 2006? Loganberry (Talk) 16:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This is being discussed quite frequently at Talk:Bangalore. While now I don't mind the main article having its name changed, the official name of the IPL team has Bangalore so shouldn't change it. There are teams like Deccan Chargers which dooesn't include the city in its name. If the official name was Abc Royal Challengers, that would be the name Wikipedia uses. Even if Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai had their Bombay, Calcutta and Madras names officially, Wikipedia would have to use these names then.

Speaking of the name, shouldn't Bangalore come before Royal Challengers? It sounds strange to have the Bangalore after RC but it wouldn't be suprising. Most of the IPL nicknames have been so poor, it is not funny. There are two Kings (Kings XI and Super Kings), two Royals, and a Mumbai Indians (?). The only two decent names are Daredevils and Knight Riders. The franchises could have resolved the conflicting names by changing to the Indian language equivalent like Maharaja but hey, it is not for us to decide, just like we can't use Bengaluru. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 08:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Owner of RCB?

The owner of RCB is mentioned as Gheevar's Leo group. Is this true? According to RCB's official website, it is Dr.Vijay Mallya himself.

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeLynch (talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Matt Willis

The australian allrounder Matt Willis was linked to an english musician. 77.20.120.88 (talk) 12:53, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Current Squad Mistake

Mohammad Kaif was also picked up at the auction for $130,000 . He should be added in the current members squad.

R. Sudarsan 14:12, 24 March 2011 (UTC) Sudarsan Rajagopalan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudarsananush89 (talk • contribs)

Orphaned references in Royal Challengers Bangalore

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Royal Challengers Bangalore's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "captains":

• From List of Delhi Daredevils cricketers: "Delhi Daredevils / Records / Twenty20 matches / Most matches as captain". ESPNcricinfo. Retrieved July 27, 2012.
• From List of Rajasthan Royals cricketers: "Rajasthan Royals / Records / Twenty20 matches / Most matches as captain". ESPNcricinfo. Retrieved July 27, 2012.
• From List of Indian Premier League captains: "Indian Premier League / Records / Most matches as captain". ESPNcricinfo. Retrieved 18 August 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Adding a list of players and former players list?

Hello

I have been seeing Premiere and RCB is my favourite team. I wanted to know more about the team players but could not find any. Please some one add the players list, it would be appreciated. Komchi^✉_☆ 15:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2018

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 Not done: I'm sorry, did something go wrong with your request? Sam Sailor 10:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 11:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Protect This Page

Please protect this page. There have been multiple instances where I see pictures of a vagina everytime I come on this page. I have also checked every other Wikipedia page for IPL teams, and they don’t seem to have the same problem. Goddessinhere (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

https://www.newsinfokannada.com/2024/03/ipl-2024-is-rcb-changing-their-name-rcb.html 2409:40F2:1020:3E62:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 21:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Everyone is editing this page and no one know if it's correct or not.It gives wrong information to the audience so please protect this page S O l i d 11 (talk) 05:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

As per WP:COMMONNAME

@Praveen.dravid: As per Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME, only the commonly recognized names should be used. In this case it is Bangalore not Bengaluru. Even the Bangalore article hasn't been renamed to Bengaluru. I suggest you revert the article back to the version which uses the word Bangalore. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC) RCB is the best team in IPL and most loved for the most records made in IPL history.

@Fylindfotberserk,Thanks for the information. The Bangalore wiki page mentions about the Bengaluru and only the matter of time all the Bangalore will be edited as Bengaluru in the Wiki Pages considering the amount of articles and it will take time to rewrite all the articles.

@Praveen.dravid:

• The article name is still Bangalore as per WP:COMMONNAME consensus.
• "Royal Challengers Bangalore" itself mentions the term "Bangalore".
• The club is not restricted to India and international players/viewers are also associated/interested in it. So as per WP:COMMONNAME, terms known worldwide should be used. As a comparison, famous football club FC Bayern Munich article use the words Germans or Germany INSTEAD OF regional words Deutsche or Deustchland in the article.
• ..only the matter of time all the Bangalore will be edited as Bengaluru - You can't do it without consensus. And when Wikipedia accepts "Bengaluru", it will be a combine effort by all of us. So no need to sneakily change it in articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I did not change "Royal Challengers Bangalore", it is left to the team owners to rename or leave it as is. Bengaluru is more common now than Bangalore while refering to city unlike 5 years back, so this is in line with WP:COMMONNAME. All the International Airports across the world display Bengaluru not Bangalore.

@Praveen.dravid: Probably you are not getting it. Go through WP:COMMONNAME again. It writes ..Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)... As you can see, commonly used names should be used, otherwise you'd be seeing Deutsch in everything German related. Do you see Deutschland in all International airports?

Look it was tried multiple times in the past to rename the Bangalore article to "Bengaluru" since 2010, but consensus was against it. See here, here, here. Even the number of Google hits for Bangalore is 33,30,00,000 as of now but for Bengaluru it is only 10,50,00,000. I'd suggest you to revert the changes since those were against concensus. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

It is getting unnecessarily delayed. The main settlement article is still named "Bangalore". Pinging @NeilN:, @Arjayay:, @Vensatry:, @Dharmadhyaksha:, @NJA:, @DBigXray: - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

As I’ve been summoned I will say I agree with Fylindfotberserk that the current name is in keeping with policy. Saying that, depending on the company registrar site I find the company (Royal Challengers Sports Pvt. Ltd.) is either registered in “Bangalore" or “Bengaluru”. That however is irrelevant to the name of the team, though I do appreciate many people may refer to the latter vs the former. I did also find on the internet (English internet I should say) both uses are in common use, but Bangalore is dominant. Anyhow, back to the name of the team: the team’s website itself is not helpful in confirming what exactly they mean by “RCB", but I did find several instances of Royal Challengers Bangalore (including the logo) and none referring to Royal Challengers Bengaluru. I’d close this and leave the name as is. NJA | talk 18:14, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• Responding to the ping, The arguments put forward by Fylindfotberserk are convincing. Unless Praveen.dravid can make a strong arguement that the common name is changed to Bengaluru, the city title should be Bangalore. since it is more commonly understood. This is a stupid dispute overall, no one confuses between the 2 names. Just leave it at Bangalore and focus on other aspects of the article that need improvement. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 07:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@NJA:, @DBigXray: Thanks for your inputs guys. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Changing names as per WP:COMMONNAME. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Change coach details

RCB recently changed their coaching staff and sporting director. We should update these details Awenirban (talk) 15:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a source? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2019

Please Let Me publish these changes Deadlybeast401 (talk) 05:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done You have not specified what changes you want to make. Spike 'em (talk) 07:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Change Player Name

Shahbaz naddem is not in RCB... Shahbaz Ahmed from Mewat is playing as wicket keeper for RCB Amazing1abhi (talk) 04:05, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done You actually need to edit {{Royal Challengers Bangalore Roster}}. Are you sure he's a wicketkeeper, as cricinfo says he's a bowler? Spike 'em (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2020

|Akash Dwivedi😎 Virat fan answered=yes}}

Akash Dwivedi the sky TV (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done it is not clear what you are suggesting. Spike 'em (talk) 18:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021

Kingak1718 (talk) 21:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Washington Sundar, Daniel Christian, Daniel Sams, Harshal Patel, and Shahbaz Ahmed are all-rounders.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "All-rounder" is not an exact term and is open to some interpretation. You need sources which say this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2021

Put Kyle Jamieson and Harshal Patel in All Rounders and not pace bowlers 116.72.136.100 (talk) 05:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

2021 IPL Season

In "team history" section, please add all the details of the RCB 2021 IPL season. Shooting Spirit 007 (talk) 08:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Harshal Patel and Kona Srikar Bharat Are Now Capped

Harshal Patel and Kona Srikar (KS) Bharat have been added to India's T20I and Test squads respectively vs. New Zealand. They are now capped. Please change that. If you want the source, check BCCI's Twitter page. Shooting Spirit 007 (talk) 08:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, they're not capped until they actually make an appearance for Indian national team. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:21, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

RCB detiles

Hjin 2409:4071:4E81:457C:287D:E1A4:A917:38B5 (talk) 17:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2022

I am a RCB fan and from my knowledge Faf is the new captain. 106.212.180.197 (talk) 09:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

That has already been mentioned in the article. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Players

How many players 212.104.237.77 (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Give chance to Finn Allen

please give chance to Finn Allen because we are going off from league 152.57.79.234 (talk) 07:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

New kit made

@Shooting Spirit 007 i found the new kit for gogreen initiative at File:Kit body rcb22gogreeninitiative.png. Please put it in the infobox of this page as an IP editor i cannot do it. The go green initiative kit is disordered as green pant and red body from regular kit 103.56.239.113 (talk) 15:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Rivalries section.

I think LSG should be added now. JokerDurden (talk) 03:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)