Talk:Roswell High School (Georgia)/GA1

GA Review

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Hello. I will be reviewing this article's GA nomination. Here are some initial suggestions for improvement:

Per WP:LEAD, an article of this size should be about three or four full paragraphs summarizing all the main points of the article.
There are some MoS problems. A good copyeditor should be able to fix them. If all the other points get addressed, I am willing to do this myself.
"Band" and "Drama" need citations.
"In 2008 the Hornets finished fourth in the state." - ref?
"Roswell also won a Track and Field State Championship in 1961 while finishing second in 1957 and 1974." - ref?
Any stat, record, or championship needs a source.
A couple of the notable alumni need sources.
Only the first word in a header should be capital unless it is a proper name.

That is it for now. I'll give the article seven days for improvement. When these issues are addressed, I'll add some more suggestions. Nikki♥311 23:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have a question though. I am having trouble finding citations for state runner-ups except for the very recent ones. The information was taken from the banners hanging in the school gym. Should I just take them out and focus on the state championships? AUburnTiger (talk) 17:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I'm surprised that information isn't available on the school's website. If a source can't be found for runner-ups, I'd remove them. The championships are the important information, anyway, IMO. Nikki♥311 03:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know here when you are ready for me to look back over the article. Nikki♥311 02:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think everything has been address, so whenever you can go back over it, feel free. AUburnTiger (talk) 02:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Part 2

Lead

"The current building is the oldest in use high school building in north Fulton as several new schools have opened in the county and Milton High School moved to a new campus in 2006.[6]" - this seems rather detailed for a lead. I'd cut it off at "The current building is the oldest in use high school building in north Fulton.[6]" as long as the explanation is in the article elsewhere.

History

Maybe a quick mention of why Roswell King is important and the school/city is named after him.

Campus

Is there a source for "will include 10 new classrooms and a new band room. Once completed the school will have a 1,900 student capacity, and will eliminate the need for several of the portable classrooms."?

Students and faculty

"In that year, the student population was 68% white, 15% African American, 12% Hispanic, and 5% Asian. Roswell has a relatively large immigrant population, including students from Russia and other former Soviet republics, Korea, and African nations." - source?

Broadcast and Video Production

There aren't supposed to be external links in the prose, so the link to The Hive needs to be moved to the external links.

Athletics

Endashes (WP:DASH) need to be used in the win/loss records.
"the three most popular high school sports in Georgia." - source?
"Blessed Trinity, though not a true rival, sometimes plays Roswell in sports such as soccer. The two schools are less than a mile a part and usually draw a large number of fans when they meet." - source for "large number of fans" and "not a true rival"?
The list about competitive sports should be turned from a bulleted list to a prose list.
"26 appearances in the state playoffs" - source?
The first time the AJC is mentioned, it should be written long hand with a link to Atlanta Journal Constitution.
"One Roswell golfer played the entire tournament with a patch over one eye due to an injury and still had the best finish of the team." - not sure if this is even worth mentioning, but it needs a source if it stays

Nikki♥311 23:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. AUburnTiger (talk) 03:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The endashes aren't done. For example, instead of 3-1-4 and 9-2, it should be 3–1–4 and 9–2. Nikki♥311 16:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't get what you meant at first. I fixed them now. AUburnTiger (talk) 21:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No big deal. I think the article looks much better now, but I've never reviewed a school article for GA before. I'm going to ask for a second opinion to make sure I didn't miss anything important. This process usually takes at least a couple of days. Nikki♥311 01:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dana Boomer

Hi! Per a second opinion request on the GAN page, I'm going to be dropping some comments here, and doing a bit of copyediting on the article. I should have my thoughts up within the hour. Dana boomer (talk) 02:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a bunch of reference that deadlink:
- #31 (National Blue Ribbon Schools)
- #41 (RHS Drill Team)
- #42 (RHS Rifle Team)
- #50 (Roswell routs rival)
- #61 (Perspective)
- #74 (The History of Roswell Hornet Football)
- #78 (GHSA likely to vote)
- #83 (2007 Final Rankings)
- #89 (Roswell wins 7th Gymnastics title)
Web references need to have publishers. Examples that don't are #71 and 72, but check them all, please.
There are a couple of image placements that need some work. First, the image of the gymnastics trophy is pushing down the baseball image, which is creating a large white gap between the first and second paragraphs of the Other athletic programs section. I would suggest moving the baseball image somewhere else, or removing it. Second, text shouldn't be sandwiched between images as it is in the Lacrosse section. In my opinion, the press box image is probably not necessary, and could be removed. However, if you really want to keep it, one of the images needs to be moved.
In the lead, it says "With a population of over of 2,436 students in the 2007–2008 school year..." and in the Students and faculty section it says "In the 2006–2007 school year, Roswell's enrollment of 2,517 made it Fulton County's largest school." The second one needs to be updated, and the reference updated if necessary.

Overall, this article looks really nice. I don't see any chunks of information missing, or any major problems. If the above issues are taken care of, I would be happy to support this article being passed to GA status. I'm watchlisting this page, so let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 02:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, think I got it all. Luckily all of the broken links had information that was readily available.AUburnTiger (talk) 08:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The work that you've done looks great. I just have a couple more comments (which I am really sorry I didn't point out last night, don't know how I missed them):

The articles mixes the use of "citation" templates with "cite xyz" templates (cite web, cite journal, etc). This isn't allowed, since the two templates don't play well together (I don't know the details, you'll have to ask the code-gurus for specifics). It needs to be changed to either all one format or all the other.
For refs 8 and 9 (Roswell Beacon), were there titles for where you got this information from? It looks a little odd to just have author, publication, volume/issue.

I know I said this before, but once these items are taken care of the article should be good to go. Again, I apologize for not seeing and point out these things last night. Dana boomer (talk) 16:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's okay, we all miss things from time to time. I put in those Beacon citations and some how just forgot the title. Luckily they archive all their papers. This might be a stupid question, but how do you change the template? Just retype the xyz part? If I change all the journal to web for example (since most of the cites are web, that would be easiest I think) will it still work even without a website?AUburnTiger (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick response. I'm sorry for not being more clear on the reference templates, here's what needs to happen: The templates that start out with the word "citation" need to be changed to one of the templates that start out with the words "cite something". The "cite" templates (i.e. cite web, cite journal, cite book) work well together, but they don't work well with the "citation" templates. Since there are more templates that start with "cite something" than "citation", it would probably be easier to change everything to the former. To do this, just change the "citation" in the template to "cite something" (with the something depending on what sort of a source it is, journal, web, book, etc). I hope this explanation is more clear... Dana boomer (talk) 19:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that makes sense. I'll work on it right now and then I'll post back here once that is finished. AUburnTiger (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Got em all I think. AUburnTiger (talk) 21:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allright, everything looks great! I'll drop a note on Nikki's page letting her know that I think the article is good to go. Nice work! Dana boomer (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dana. I agree with her comments, and I will now pass the article. Great job! Nikki♥311 04:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you, it was a rewarding experience to say the least.AUburnTiger (talk) 06:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]