Talk:Rosemary Miller

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A fact from Rosemary Miller appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Rosemary Miller won her state's skeet shooting championship one year after learning the sport, and then won a state shooting championship in all but two years for the rest of her life?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rosemary Miller.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Rosemary Miller tried out skeet shooting in 1961, won her state's championship in 1962, and then won a state shooting championship all but two years for the rest of her life?

Source: started in 1961 won championship in 1962 - 63 and 64, before skipping 65 ([1]) - 66 through 74 with the exception of 73 (won by Isabelle Thompson) - died in 1974

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kenichirou Matsuda

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 187 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. The first two parts of the hook are verified, but I am having trouble understanding the last part of the hook. The wording is confusing. We need a new hook.4meter4 (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @4meter4: What I am trying to communicate is that, after she first entered the championship in 1962, there were only two years for the rest of her life that she did not win a state shooting championship. Can you think of a better way to word it? I also added a QPQ. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and 4meter4: ALT1 ... that after winning her state's skeet shooting championship in 1962, Rosemary Miller won a state shooting championship in all but two years for the rest of her life? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- - Works for me. Approving Alt1: .4meter4 (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Narutolovehinata5 and 4meter4: I do think it adds some interest that the championship was one year after she first learned the sport. What about: ALT2 ... that Rosemary Miller won her state's skeet shooting championship one year after learning the sport, and then won a state shooting championship in all but two years for the rest of her life? Or something like that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm promoting ALT2; I don't think it needs a new review, as the additions were said to be "verified" above by 4meter4. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rosemary Miller/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 15:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: PearlyGigs (talk · contribs) 05:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review

Hi, BeanieFan11, I'll review this. Hope to come back soon. Best wishes. PearlyGigs (talk) 05:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Well written. I have done a small amount of copyediting which I thought would help but, really, the prose is fine and there are no spelling, grammar, or syntax issues. The lead is short but I think it presents a fair summary of the content, and it certainly underlines Rosemary's notability. I'm afraid, however, that I do have a reservation about the article's layout/structure (see below), so I can't yet pass this criterion.
WP:V and WP:NOR. The reflist is good and the citations are presented in standard publishing format. No problems in this area and certainly no evidence of original research or copyright issues.
Breadth of coverage. Focus is within scope and the coverage is adequate given the limited information available in sources.
Neutral. No problems.
Stability. No problems.
Images. Only the portrait but it is sufficient and it is fair use.

I think we the biography section should be split into two or three sections covering her early life and career; the main part of her career; and then her death and legacy. As the article is a biography, I think using the word as a section head is unnecessary. I'll have to leave that with you.

Out of interest, is there any information about what actually happened to Rosemary? She was only 35 and her death seems to have been very sudden, given that she was still competing in 1974.

I'll put the review on hold for now. It's a very interesting read and I hope more information can be found eventually. PearlyGigs (talk) 12:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PearlyGigs: Thanks for the review. I divided the article into sections; let me know if that looks good. I must admit I am stunned at the lack of coverage on how she died, especially considering that at the time, sports in northern Delaware was extremely well covered in the area newspapers. A death so young for someone so prominent is not the thing that would be looked over, but all I can find is a brief death notice...
Also, one other thing I'll note: reference 3 is a small book published by the Delaware hall of fame that was available to attendees of this year's induction event – one page discusses her and in the list of accomplishments mentions "Inducted into the Trapshooting Hall of Fame in 1979 – Inducted into the Skeetshooting Hall of Fame in 2002" – through Gelbert 1995 (in the article) I found that the "Trapshooting Hall of Fame" mentioned is actually the Delaware Trapshooting Hall of Fame (rather than the national Trapshooting Hall of Fame). I can't tell whether the Skeetshooting Hall of Fame mentioned is a Delaware thing or a national thing. What would you suggest? Thanks, (also, hoping to get this finished by the end of the day for the WikiCup) BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, BeanieFan11. The structure is fine now and I'll promote to GA. I would just leave Skeetshooting Hall of Fame as it is until more information can be found. Whether it is national or Delaware only, it is still a recognition of her achievements. Well done, and good luck in the WikiCup. Best wishes. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]