Talk:Rory Storm

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Rated

By me.--andreasegde (talk) 13:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Harry webpage

Lots of information there.--andreasegde (talk) 13:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA nomination

by --andreasegde (talk) 13:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On Review (On Hold)

I am reviewing this article. Realist2 (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok it meets the requirements for an extended review. Realist2 (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Part 1 (A=Pass B=Pass) - it is well written and correctly formatted.

Part 2 (A=Fail B=Pass C=Pass) - A number of ^{[citation needed]} need sorting but sources are well structured and formatted, all official reliable sources throughout.

Part 3 (A=Pass B=Fail) - very broad and indepth but feel as though there is waffle in the "Hamburg" and "Liverpool" sections.

Part 4 (A=Pass) - It is neutral.

Part 5 (A=Pass) - It is stable.

Part 6 (A=Pass B=Pass) - Good pictures with good captions

Issues to resolve

Sort ^{[citation needed]} where apropriate.

An issue of concern for me is, it says that the post mortum found he didnt have enough drugs in him to kill him, so how is his death officially documented?

It says after complaints the police closed the club, what were the complaints about, noise? (Done.)

The Hamburg section needs cutting down.

The liverpool section needs cutting down.

Follow these points and this article is easily worthy of a GA statues. Ill put it on hold. Realist2 (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look, but I thought I'd referenced this to death. As for cutting down the sections, I wonder why? Cutting because they're not relevant, or is it this paper encyclopedia thing?--andreasegde (talk) 09:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at it, and all the "citation needed" are covered. All I have to do is repeat the reference. I suggest taking a quick look at the referenced web pages (Bill Harry) and you will see that there is a lot of info on just one page.--andreasegde (talk) 09:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its just odd if the autopsy said that he couldnt have died from the drugs then surely cause of death would be unknown? On the cutting down issue irrelevance was a concern, i felt there was stuff there that was diluting the over all strengh of the article, the other sections are just right.

Obviously most of the references are from the same place but its good to know exactly what the source covers on some of the more controversial issues. Also page numbers should be included. Realist2 (talk) 10:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I have been able to find out the autopsy said that there was presence of some alcohol and sleeping pills in Storm's blood, but not enough to kill him. I shall re-word it.

Page numbers are included (Spitz and Miles) and even Bill Harry's, but as Harry's pages are web pages, they contain more information.--andreasegde (talk) 10:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So his death is still something of a mistery?Realist2 (talk) 10:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In English Law, it is always a mystery (as Lady Diana's still is) unless there is definite proof that one committed suicide; by leaving a note, or actually saying to someone that one was going to do it. Conjecture in law (as in Wikpedia) is not allowed, so most deaths of Storm's type are ruled "accidental", which says nothing at all. Most of the quotes I have read say/think that he was just too weak because of his chest infection, and he took one pill too many. The chest infection would have made breathing difficult, of course. If you can't sleep because of coughing, it would be easy to take an extra pill. Who knows? Certainly not me, or the coroner... :)--andreasegde (talk) 11:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS, I actually read on one web page that he was found with his head "in a gas oven", which is ludicrous, and to which I sent an e-mail, to correct it. --andreasegde (talk) 11:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Everything is now sourced
Issue around dealth resolved
Police/noise issue resolved
Hamburg and Liverpool sections still go off the point

Realist2 (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will look at them. --andreasegde (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a minute; If you want to delete certain sentences that "go off the point", I will not disagree - I don't know which ones to delete. (This is a good example of 'Fresh Eyes', and "I can't see the wood for the trees". Go for it... :) --andreasegde (talk) 18:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have done as much as I can.--andreasegde (talk) 18:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok im happy and satified that its GA now, bang the drums, this is my first GA award. Realist2 (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you, Realist2. You are a tough reviewer, but I think that's all good and well for the future of Wikpedia. --andreasegde (talk) 02:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide Categories

Should he be included in these as legally at least he did not kill himself? The discussion above seems to say it was 'accidental' death. Bevo74 (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Complete agreement from me. -Etoile (talk) 06:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I'd forgotten about this, I'm going to remove the categories. Bevo74 (talk) 07:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birth Date?

Paragraphs 1 and 4 disagree as to his birth date. 96.244.70.173 (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What caused him to die?

This article and articles it cites take the position that he took booze and pills the morning before he was found dead, but not enough booze and pills to cause his death. Okay, then, what caused his death? It says his death was ruled accidental, so he was not murdered by an intruder while he was incapacitaged on pills and booze. So, did he fall and hit his head because he couldn't walk so well after the pills and booze? Did he regurgitate and drown on the vomit? (That sometimes happens when someone unconscious WOULD have survived an ingestion of substances that, absent the vomiting, would NOT have caused their death.) What caused his death, given that the pills and booze weren't taken in sufficient quantities to cause his death?69.86.65.12 (talk) 20:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)Christoher L. Simpson[reply]

That's not up to us to say, or even discuss. This page is to discuss what reliable sources say, and how they affect the content of the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnny Guitar diaries

In this link from Spencer Leigh you can take a look at Johnny Guitar diaries, with some interesting annotations by Leigh. Also in page 3 (March 1960) there are references to the recorded gig. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]