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Fire escape

Why are the students walking up the fire escape in the opening credits?

Los Angeles High School

Room 222 was filmed with the students at Los Angeles High School and even states it at the end of the show —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk • contribs)

A couple of possibilities here:

The name of the school was changed after the show was filmed. So, what was once "Los Angeles High School" is now John Marshall High School. I think this is a likely possibility.
The show's producers got it wrong or left out the article "a". So, in the credits, it might've meant to say "filmed at a Los Angeles High School". Leaving out the a makes a big difference in this case.
Our information is wrong. If this is the case, please correct it citing your source.

Thanks for trying to keep up honest! :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, nevermind. I found the info on the Internet and fixed it in the article. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simpsons

referenced in season 13 episode 12, i'm not sure if there is any relevance since i have never seen this show and I don't really get the joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.174.205 (talk) 18:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TO SIR WITH LOVE - THE TV SERIES

Abbythecat (talk) 01:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)Wasn't ROOM 222 a TV series based on the movie TO SIR WITH LOVE? The all-knowing teacher, his co-workers, his students. I won't list this as I have no proof, but hmmm... sure seems likely.Abbythecat (talk) 01:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

The assertion that this series was "based on Chicago's Kenwood High School in Chicago's University of Chicago community" and "Many of the stories used in the show were lifted right out of actual classroom situations at the school" is questionable and requires a reliable source to be cited or it will be removed. JGHowes ^talk 00:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing that entire paragraph. Not only is it dubious and unsupported by ANY reliable sources (a year after you requested citations), but it is practically impossible. Kenwood High School did not even open until the year this series started—probably even the same month, September 1969. The first episodes would have been filmed at least several weeks before broadcast, and written months or even years before that. Those episodes CANNOT have been "originally based on" a school that did not even exist yet. That whole paragraph is just someone's fantasy. —104.244.192.86 (talk) 20:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The section on Recurring Cast lists "Chuck Norris as himself". Is this real, or is it vandalism? It doesn't square with the show I remember. Norris was only just becoming known in those days. I could believe he played a regular character before his martial arts fame; and I could maybe believe he played his celebrity self in one episode, if said celebrity visited the school and there were a plot around that. But it's a strain to imagine that he played "himself" as a recurring character. The article contains no further mention of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5A8:4165:2E00:E16C:C599:945:E395 (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why my comment is "unsigned", I don't know. I tried to leave a summary and sign it, but it didn't take. Trying again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5A8:4165:2E00:E16C:C599:945:E395 (talk) 20:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I guess it is not vandalism. I later googled and found pretty quickly that, as I suggested was a possibility, Norris did indeed play himself in at least ONE episode, centered around a bullied kid taking martial arts. S2E10. This probably should not be listed under "recurring cast", unless it can be shown that he was in more than one episode, which doesn't seem likely. And probably should be removed entirely since he wasn't in the "main cast" either. But I'm leaving it alone since I'm not a "power user" of Wikipedia and haven't gotten up to speed on the standards around here. Add a section on celebrity guest appearances? I leave it to others to decide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5A8:4165:2E00:6005:C543:DBE2:D412 (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do like vandalism. The fact is the Teleivision Academy Foundation specifically stated that the show predated Norman Lear's work when it came to discussing "serious contemporary issues

Nonsense allegations need to end. Now I will include the MBC as an author. The Television Academy Foundation also used James L. Brooks interview as source for some information. MBC wasn't only source, and it untrue to say it is. Other sources included in the article were: Eisner, Joel, and David Krinsky. Television Comedy Series: An Episode Guide to 153 TV Sitcoms in Syndication. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland, 1984.

Feuer, Jane, Paul Kerr, and Tise Vahimagi, editors. MTM--'Quality Television.' London: British Film Institute, 1984.

MacDonald, J. Fred. Blacks And White TV: Afro-Americans in Television Since 1948. Chicago: Nelson-Hall, 1992.

Newcomb, Horace, and Robert Alley. The Producer's Medium: Conversations with Creators of American TV. New York: Oxford University Press, 1983.

Tinker, Grant, and Bud Rukeyser. Tinker in Television: From General Sarnoff to General Electric. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1994.[1] Speakfor23 (talk) 21:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand that Wikipedia has policies on what sources are considered reliable or not? Interviews with those involved with the project are not considered reliable as they are not independent. Claiming that something is vandalism when it is not is an egregious aspersion. The TAF was quoting Robert Thompson in the Museum of Broadcast Communication Encyclopedia of Television. As Wikipedia editors we are to give proper attribution when including content. You have now displayed battleground tactics, ownership, refused to listen and attacked other editors in these discussions.

Below is a comparison of the "Legacy" section of this article to the "About" portion of the TAF website they attribute to the MBC's Encyclopedia of Television:

a racially integrated classroom
"a dedicated and student-friendly African-American history teacher,"
"A season and a half before Norman Lear made "relevant" programming a dominant genre with the introduction of programs like All in the Family and Maude, Room 222 was using the form of the half-hour comedy to discuss serious contemporary issues. During its five seasons on the air, the show included episodes that dealt with such topics as racism, sexism, homophobia, dropping out of school, shoplifting, drug use among both teachers and students, illiteracy, cops in school, guns in school, Vietnam war veterans, venereal disease, and teenage pregnancy".
"the show broke new narrative ground that would later be developed by the major sitcom factories of the 1970s, Grant Tinker's MTM Enterprises and Norman Lear's Tandem Productions."

From the Museum of Broadcast Communications Encyclopedia of Television originally published 1997:

the show broke new narrative ground that would later be developed by the major sitcom factories of the 1970s, Grant Tinker's MTM Enterprises and Norman Lear's Tandem Productions.
an integrated high school
a dedicated and student-friendly African-American history teacher
A season and a half before Norman Lear made "relevant" programming a dominant genre with the introduction of programs like All in the Family and Maude, Room 222 was using the form of the half-hour comedy to discuss serious contemporary issues. During its five seasons on the air, the show included episodes that dealt with such topics as racism, sexism, homophobia, dropping out of school, shoplifting, drug use among both teachers and students, illiteracy, cops in school, guns in school, Vietnam war veterans, venereal disease, and teenage pregnancy.

It is even attributed to Robert Thompson where you directly attributed it to the TAF as if they stated this. Now could you point out what other content in the Legacy section is reliant on the other sources you mentioned above? --ARose Wolf 11:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]